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Old 05-03-2011, 03:08 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Unless we get Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant.. DeRozan ain't goin' anywhere.
Wow, you've gotta be fuckin' kidding me?
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Old 05-03-2011, 04:24 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Derozans last 50 games

19.4 PPG/4.2 REB/2.2 AST/1.3 STL
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Old 05-03-2011, 05:20 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Wow, you've gotta be fuckin' kidding me?
You could add a couple more top 30 players to that list, but really, why would you trade Demar?

Not saying that he is top 31 player, just that you need to build a stable team, not turn over all your assets every offseason

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Old 05-03-2011, 06:00 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Seriously?!
I didn't read all posts in this thread but the ones in the beginning about trading DeRozan for Marc Gasol?! You gotta be fffffreakin' kidding me?! You guys scare me.
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:42 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Wow, you've gotta be fuckin' kidding me?
Nope, not at all. DeRozan is a legit beast. You wanted Eric Bledsoe and Avery Bradley here... who are you to judge what talent is?
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It makes me sick to my stomache how huch raptor fans overrate some players and completely undervaue others.

The collective intelligence of a vast majority of fans is on par with that of a houseplant, or Lindsay Lohan.
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:04 AM   #67 (permalink)
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It makes me sick to my stomache how huch raptor fans overrate some players and completely undervaue others.

The collective intelligence of a vast majority of fans is on par with that of a houseplant, or Lindsay Lohan.
Overrating our players or other players?
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:46 AM   #68 (permalink)
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Nobody is untouchable. That being said, DD would be the one I`d be most reluctant to move.

I would not give up Demar to get Gasol. I`m emotionally too attached to having a scoring 2 guard. Not the logical decision perhaps, but I`m a fan not front office employee.
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When I see people talking about trading away Derozan for Marc Gasol.. I really wonder if you guys watch basketball

if Chuck Swirlsky was here he would say "ARE YOU KIDDING ME, MY GOODNESS LEO"

well anyway.. Nene is strongly considering opting out of the final year of his six-year 60million contract, he will earn 12mill in his final year, should raps go after him?

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Old 05-03-2011, 11:05 AM   #70 (permalink)
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It makes me sick to my stomache how huch raptor fans overrate some players and completely undervaue others.

The collective intelligence of a vast majority of fans is on par with that of a houseplant, or Lindsay Lohan.
Sadly that's a Toronto thing and isn't just Raptor fans. For what ever reason Toronto Sports fans have done this in general for as long as i can remember.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:52 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Gasol will be a beast, he's already really good, but he's the 4th or 5th scoring option on that team, so his scoring is low. He's a fantastic post defender, great shot blocker, has a very polished low post game and has range as well. Derozan is just a scorer, his potential is high, but he doesn't impact the game very much now. I love his work ethic, and he could become an all star at some point. But gasol can be that dominant defensive center very few teams have. That's a lot more valuable.
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Gasol will be a beast, he's already really good, but he's the 4th or 5th scoring option on that team, so his scoring is low. He's a fantastic post defender, great shot blocker, has a very polished low post game and has range as well. Derozan is just a scorer, his potential is high, but he doesn't impact the game very much now. I love his work ethic, and he could become an all star at some point. But gasol can be that dominant defensive center very few teams have. That's a lot more valuable.
so.. then trade Bargs for him
then we will still have Derozan, and have a true center to play alongside Ed Davis
perfect

trading away Derozan for Gasol will cure our center position but will leave a hole at 2guard, so that move wouldn't make sense, unless ofcourse you guys wan't Bargnanni to be the franchise guy..

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so.. then trade Bargs for him
then we will still have Derozan, and have a true center to play alongside Ed Davis
perfect

trading away Derozan for Gasol will cure our center position but will leave a hole a 2guard, so that move wouldn't make sense, unless ofcourse you guys wan't Bargnanni to be the franchise guy..
Doesn't necessarily leave a hole there with Barbosa to fill in for a few years.
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Hes more of a savior than Gasol. Where the fuck will Gasol get us? Absolutely nowhere. Yay a couple more rebounds a game, big deal.. its not worth giving up DeRozan. Unless we get Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant.. DeRozan ain't goin' anywhere.
Ok, sorry but a couple of more rebounds a game is pretty important in the grand scheme of things.

It can equate to more free throw attempts, more offensive posessions, better defense, easier looks etc. Look at our team with Reggie Evans and without him. If Reggie had any semblance of an offensive game we'd be a .500 team because of that value and what he provides an offense and defense.

And really, where could DeRozan take us. I think someone here mentioned he's a franchise player (or could be). Well, he's gotta work on his rebounding, passing, overall IQ, shot selection, defense etc. to get to that point. Yes, he improved this year (by default?) but what is his ceiling? If he's a career third option (which I think he's best at) then yep, he's gotta be in play.

As for the overall idea of Gasol here. Couple him with Ed Davis and you're building something from the interior which is all about rebounds and defense. Move Bargnani (to fill that hole at the 2/3) and understand you'll likely still grab a high pick next year (because we'll still suck) with some cap flexibility and I like our chances of doing something special.
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If he's a career third option (which I think he's best at)
How do you guys judge a players whole carreer after only two seasons in the league?

I still think it's to much to give up..
Derozan is not the problem.. the problem is you have a 7'0 guy in Bargnanni who is soft as a babies bum..

and when the season started It would have been nice to have Bargnanni play PF, and have a center like Tyson Chandler.. that would've been a good situation for us, but we didn't get him, and we didn't really know anything about Ed Davis

but seeing how Ed played this season, I don't want Bargs at 4 anymore


when Vince Carter left the two guard position was naked, your not going to find allot of 6'7 guys with athleticism, the kid is 21.. imagine him a few years from now

I wouldn't trade him just because are center does not play like a true center..
trade our center for a true center to play with Ed Davis who is more of a big man then Bargs

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I still think it's to much to give up..
Derozan is not the problem.. the problem is you have a 7'0 guy in Bargnanni who is soft as a babies bum..

and when the season started It would have been nice to have Bargnanni play PF, and have a center like Tyson Chandler.. that would've been a good situation for us, but we didn't get him, and we didn't really know anything about Ed Davis

but seeing how Ed played this season, I don't want Bargs at 4 anymore


Vince left, that position was naked, Anthony Parker was good for us, but he is a good role player.. now we have Derozan and you would move him because are Center does not play like a center, NOPE not a good move
See, here's the thing, who care's about Bargnani. Why would a team want our crap? Teams want guys who can play. At the end of the day, it's about asking yourself, can I address a weakness which is harder to find later? DeRozan is an asset, but what's his ceiling? Realistically? Is his skillset something you can locate in a trade FOR Bargnani (when he has higher value). Is it something that's available in the next draft? Etc.

I think Raptor fans have this fear in them. It's like, oh, look we have something we struggled to find, and even if it's mediocre, we'll keep it anyways and not look for anything better.

Just because we've struggled to find one (I'd argue alot of that was due to our success as a franchise and not drafting in that position) doesn't mean it can't be done again.
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And I'm basing my judgement out of what I see. A third option on a GOOD team (should've qualified it) is still a very good player. I just don't think he's ever a first option and I think he'd be over stepping his abilities as a 2nd option. There's intangibles I don't think he possesses.
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There's intangibles I don't think he possesses.
and what intangibles do you possess at 21 years of age?

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and what intangibles do you possess at 21 years of age?
I think BBIQ, understanding positioning and court awareness are all intangibles that you should have SOME understanding of.

Instead, he's a guy who knows how to SCORE from his position (not unlike Bargnani).

I think it's evident when he's out there he's very much made his decision about how he's going to get to the basket but not what will happen if he gets stopped.

Also, in terms of positioning and his role, he leaks out on offence FAR to frequently when on defence and doesn't really commit to rebounding at his position (something Delfino did well). Some of these things are inherrent.

I still think he'll be a better shooter as he matures and a better ball handler which is why I said a third option on a very good team maybe even 2nd.
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I repeat

and what intangibles do you possess at 21 years of age?

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doesn't really commit to rebounding at his position (something Delfino did well)
tell me what Delfino was doing at 21 years of age..

all I'm saying is, with time, he will develop more consistency in certain areas of his game, he is still raw.. but willing to learn

these things don't happen over night, but from year one to now.. I have seen major improvement, and all that wouldn't be possible without a good work ethic

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