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Old 02-01-2010, 09:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Would you consider trading Bosh to acquire...

The first overall pick? I realize the simplicity of this question and it seems HIGHLY improbable... But it interests me nonetheless. I personally wouldn't, but if I had the number one pick I'd snag Wall as of right now. Have at it.
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Only if John Wall is as good as the hype that surrounds him and we also get Lopez in return.
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Old 02-01-2010, 09:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No .

Bosh has potential to become much greater then he already is .
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one of the best PF's in the game for a unproven prospect... nty
not saying he won't be good, but it's too much of a gamble and why in the world would we need him
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IF wall is as good as some claim (best prospect other then lebron or howard in the past 10+ years), I would trade Bosh in a heartbeat. The only thing stopping me would be in this team makes a lot of noise in the playoffs (at least round 2, going down with a fight).

A superstar PG is the most valuable thing in NBA these days. It's also a lot easier to build around this kind of player, as basically any kind of player fits him.

But the biggest selling point for me is that by the time Wall gets to his first all star starting selection (3 years from now), Bargnani and derozan are in their primes (derozan just starting to hit his prime). In the meantime, if you draft well and accumulate two solid starters at SF and PF, you could have a contending team, which right now we don't.

But I don't follow college, so I have no idea if this wall guy really is as special as they claim. However, Ford of ESPN claims that ANY team in the league except the Hornest would trade their starting PG for Wall, based on his talks to GMs and other high-level execs. That's pretty unbelievable praise for a yet to be rookie.
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Bosh/Calderon

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Lopez/Harris/Lee/Wall

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will john wall average 24 and 11?

i dont think so.
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Bosh/Calderon for. Lopez/Harris/Lee/Wall
Why would you want Wall AND Harris?
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will john wall average 24 and 11?

i dont think so.
those who follow college closer seem to think he can be as good as chris paul, and he is very nba ready, which means all stardom in his 2nd season, and MVP caliber performances from about his 2nd/3rd season.

look what a sub-elite PG like derrick rose is doing to the bulls, and think somebody that can score like rose, defend like rondo and distribute like chris paul will do (which is pretty much wall's profile according to Ford/Thorpe of the ESPN who follow rookies and college guys closely).
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Yes... In a world of uncertainty, Wall is certain to be a stud.
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Old 02-01-2010, 10:07 PM   #12 (permalink)
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There's no way to guarantee that you'll get the 1st pick, as bad as New jersey is, the ping pong balls have to fall your way. The only way such a trade could be made would be after the lottery, and by then whoever has the pick probably wouldn't give it up.
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Old 02-01-2010, 10:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Yes... In a world of uncertainty, Wall is certain to be a stud.
it's a risk to be sure, but if this team doesn't show contender material by the end of the season, I'd rather take a calculated risk of success, than an almost guaranteed failure.

What if instead of wall you put lebron in 2003, would you trade Bosh for that young lebron? Wall is projected to be basically in the same class with lebron and howard as far as prospects go, so if he is like lebron in 03, do you trade Bosh or not?

In my opinion, if he is that good, unless we're breaking into the big 4 this season, we'd be better off with wall.

If wall is merely a derrick rose level player, than it's a lot harder. You can argue that having derrick rose at 8 millions for the next 4 years gives you a better chance of success that Bosh at 18, but it becomes muddier. If he is chris paul, than it's a no brainer.
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Hell no. Wall is gonna bea rookie and anything can happen. I'd rather keep a proven guy
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Howard was considered a risk at the time.. That selection had may critics shaking their heads because the Magic took Dwight over Okafor. Unless John Wall suffers a Len Bias, I can't see him faultering.. Guards are a lot less risky as opposed to bigs.
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and just to clarify, this is not because of CB. It's based on the assumption (risky as it is) that wall is a special kind of talent, the one in a decade kind of thing.

If he's just a run of the mill star (rose/roy/durant/carmelo/bosh), it's just a strategic decision. As a rookie, he will be making peanuts, which will give you a 4 year window to spend that money somewhere else. If during the end of the window he will be a good as your current star, and if the current team is not close to the top, it might make more sense to take a step back for a couple of years hoping to come back stronger than by maintaing the status quo.

If we win 50 and make noise in the playoffs, and I believe we're a piece away from contending (a piece that is reasonably accessible through trades/FA), it's a different matter. Even with chris paul, the hornets are not that close to a title, so if you ever get in a position to see the cup - the best bet is to go all-in. So in that case, I'd stick with the team.

But if we win 44 and lose 4-1 in the 1st round, I would roll the dice, especially if I believe wall is a hall of famer in waiting.
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Bosh/Calderon

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Lopez/Harris/Lee/Wall
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If We got Wall, Lopez and someone else (Lee) then yes. But not straight up
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:07 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Even if Wall turns out to be Chris Paul... which is a stretch for sure considering CP is the best PG in the NBA... it still wouldn't constitute trading Bosh for him.

CP3 for Bosh is a lateral move, especially since we're stacked at the PG position. Do we really want to move the league leader in 20/10 for an unproven prospect?

HELL NO
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:11 PM   #20 (permalink)
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What about fan loyalty? Bosh is our guy it's his team, and he's done alot for us and took alot of crap from the media in the US. He's loyal and so should we.
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