Would/Will the lock out hurt this team?
Old 03-01-2011, 02:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was just wondering, could a work stoppage hurt this fan base significantly? I mean, we're not very good right now and we're an average team in attendance (I expect the numbers to drop).

So, say, the league takes 1 year off (unlikely) or even 6-8 months (likely?) would fans return in droves?

Is a labour stoppage really the best thing right now?
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Old 03-01-2011, 02:43 PM   #2 (permalink)
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prolly would be beneficial as we would be guaranteed 2 straight picks near the top of the draft

assuming it would be like the NFL, where the draft order would stay the same in the case of a lockout.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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2012/13 Salary(currently): $31,161,985
With 7-8 players signed (bargs/jose/Amir/Linas/Demar/Davis/JJ/(Bayless Qualifying offer))

That helps the Raps a ton with salary space.
A LOT of teams (depending how the CBA works out) will need to cut players/salary badly.
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I think it will help this team. We'll potentially get two picks and for the reason Psi stated. I am not sure about the fan base though, whether it will die out a bit or not. But what I do know is thatI will still be watching Raptors games ;D
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Actually i'm finding that the attendance has gotten better lately. This fanbase is strong. I don't see it being a major issue, especially if we can draft well this summer and people are excited about our young players.
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Old 03-01-2011, 04:44 PM   #6 (permalink)
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im hoping for no Hard cap, if theres no hard cap it takes away the Cavs abillity to rebuild and trade for Picks while going over the cap and into lux tax on the other hand it gives the cavs 2 possible top 6 picks in back to back drafts which would rebuild the team faster the OKC did
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Toronto fans is something you don't have to worry about.

What I would worry about is the team will lose a lot of opportunity to develop and increase their experience. Hopefully if there is a lockout, they are still somehow somewhere getting better together.
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If there is a lock out i think the low end teams with cap space will make an emergence in the NBA as some top teams for a bit.

Take a look at Post-Lock out NHL, when salaries where cut and you saw alot of high end teams who used to rely on big spending a la maple leafs, had huge troubles dealing with bad contracts, teams close to the cap now are gonna have to give away alot of talent because they wont be able to afford them. Partially why boston gave away Perkins, they knew his demands financialy, and they knew they had to protect themselves from the up and coming CBA.
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side note: lockout will be great for this team in terms of rebuilding(draft) and cap space. not sure how it will play out with players development but we will see. i definetly want a hard cap. enough with this big team championship decade long rivalries. time for the nhl system to take over.
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Old 03-01-2011, 07:00 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I don't think the lockout will do any more than what the league and the US media has already started doing to Toronto.

It's brutal.
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prolly would be beneficial as we would be guaranteed 2 straight picks near the top of the draft

assuming it would be like the NFL, where the draft order would stay the same in the case of a lockout.
Do you actually know that it would work that way, or would there just be a single pick in regular order from a larger pool of draftees?
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For the guys saying attendance has been ok (take a look at the teams: Miami, Phoenix and Clippers have recently come through).

Look at the game today. Arena looks empty.
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For the guys saying attendance has been ok (take a look at the teams: Miami, Phoenix and Clippers have recently come through).

Look at the game today. Arena looks empty.
First of all it's a tuesday night and it's 3 minutes into the game. But our last 4 home games.... (19,800), (20,156), (19,004), (16,904)

I'll take those numbers. And the fact that this team is this bad and averaging nearly 17,000 per game is nothing to panic about. Seriously this team has the second most loyal fanbase in the city by a lot. Not counting FC since they're still a very young franchise. Numbers are always going to be a little soft when the team is this bad, but if you expect near sellouts on most nights you're delusional. Very few franchises in each sport have that luxury.
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Not expecting sell outs. Team is bad. However, I'm also cognizant of the fact that attendance won't increase if the team doesn't get better. And in a market where hockey and an emerging baseball team are coming up, there's more competition for wallets and people. IF the NBA takes a year off, I guarantee you, they'll have a much harder time to get those same people back.

We live in an instant gratification society. Leaving the market is never a good idea.
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Not expecting sell outs. Team is bad. However, I'm also cognizant of the fact that attendance won't increase if the team doesn't get better. And in a market where hockey and an emerging baseball team are coming up, there's more competition for wallets and people. IF the NBA takes a year off, I guarantee you, they'll have a much harder time to get those same people back.

We live in an instant gratification society. Leaving the market is never a good idea.
Baseball is in a different season. Here's the thing, if the Jays, Raps, Argos suck who sells the better % of seats? Not even close. The Jays last season had an exciting team and were one of the surprise teams in MLB yet were dead last in attendance (39% capacity). There is a fairly large baseball fanbase here, but can they average 30,000-40,000 unless true contenders? I don't know what more people expect from the raptor fanbase when the team is this bad. They have a sales average of 84% capacity and we're 16-44. I don't know if people measure team attendance by what the Leafs do or what but i don't know what more people expect.

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Don't know if you heard, but Raps are decreasing all ticket prices.
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Don't know if you heard, but Raps are decreasing all ticket prices.
Smart move. They want to keep their current season ticket holders. As it should be, the fact is teams that aren't very good for 2-3yrs often do that unless it doesn't matter in terms of Leafs, Yankees, LAL, NYK etc...
But there is absolutely nothing wrong with their attendance for where they stand. Like i said they have the second best % of ticket sales of any of the major sports in this city, by a lot. I mean this isn't like the Vancouver Grizzlies who were averaging 11-12k their last couple seasons.

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Baseball is in a different season. Here's the thing, if the Jays, Raps, Argos suck who sells the better % of seats? Not even close. The Jays last season had an exciting team and were one of the surprise teams in MLB yet were dead last in attendance (39% capacity). There is a fairly large baseball fanbase here, but can they average 30,000-40,000 unless true contenders? I don't know what more people expect from the raptor fanbase when the team is this bad. They have a sales average of 84% capacity and we're 16-44. I don't know if people measure team attendance by what the Leafs do or what but i don't know what more people expect.
Alot of that numbers regarding the Jays was due to a lack of marketing on the Jays part.

Go forward to the end of this year and the beginning of next season for the Jays and I can see them making a HUGE run and trying to generate excitement.

People weren't going to attend when you essentially told them in April and May not to.
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Smart move. They want to keep their current season ticket holders. As it should be, the fact is teams that aren't very good for 2-3yrs often do that unless it doesn't matter in terms of Leafs, Yankees, LAL, NYK etc...
But there is absolutely nothing wrong with their attendance for where they stand. Like i said they have the second best % of ticket sales of any of the major sports in this city, by a lot. I mean this isn't like the Vancouver Grizzlies who were averaging 11-12k their last couple seasons.
I'm not talking about attendance today. I'm talking about attendance if there's a YEAR long lock out (which could happen).
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Alot of that numbers regarding the Jays was due to a lack of marketing on the Jays part.

Go forward to the end of this year and the beginning of next season for the Jays and I can see them making a HUGE run and trying to generate excitement.

People weren't going to attend when you essentially told them in April and May not to.
If they can sell 80 + % of their seats regularly all season then we'll talk and that's when they're competitive.
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