Would New jersey/Clippers do this
Old 05-22-2008, 03:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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with all the talk of the nets trying to acquire Bargnani and toronto needing a slashing wing would the nets do a deal of:

Richard Jefferson
Sean Williams
Maurice Ager
Trenton Hassell
( one of trenton hassell or maurice ager can be taken out and the trade still works just thought they would want rid of hassells contract becauses hes owed 4 million next 2 years.

For

Andrea Bargnani
Jason Kapono
Jamario Moon
Rasho
09 first
11 first/second (w.e one seems more fair)

Now listen to why i think this helps the raps. They get their much needed second option, keep their pick, get a shot blocker in Williams who is still young. Give up kapono who in the right system and do good we saw it in the playoffs, Bargnani who knows how he will turn out, a wing in moon who can replace jefferson not as much but can.

trade ford or Calderon to the clippers for maggette

Raptors lineup:
PG- Calderon/Roko (Split MLE)
SG- Maggette/ Parker/ Ager
SF- Jefferson/Batum (17)/Hassel
PF- Bosh/Hump/Baston
C- Williams/Premo or split MLE on someone better

Our team becomes contenders in the east. No more relying on 3 point shots, can get to the line at ease, have that shot blocking centre who is still young. Parker can provide a spark off the bench and Batum will be able to flourish, is this possible, edit the trade to make it more fair if you dont think it is
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice first post maddog.

Too much of a risk for the Nets to do it. Bargnani's a crapshoot while Kapono & Moon are just average. They deal away an all-star in RJ and a kid with some big potential. Considering the rookie season Williams had, I don't see them getting rid of him now especially when you take into account how cheap he still is.
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Old 05-22-2008, 04:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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thank you but the way i see it sean williams has potential and so does andrea so if were comparing potential to potential i think andreas is higher because he has a more offensive game. I think L.Frank will do wonders for his development too. Rasho i think is a better defender than williams is but not as athletic or as good at shot blocking. When you trade superstars you rarley get the same value a la pau gasol, vince so you dont think the nets would do it if the last pick was a first not a second so

Moon
Bargnani
Rasho
Kapono
09 1st
11 1st

you dont think the nets would do it? or would we need to add something it seems fair on paper
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Take out Sean Williams.

Bargnani, Rasho, Kapono, and our 09 first is a solid package for RJ.
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:18 PM   #5 (permalink)
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That front court seems pretty weak..
Primoz and Hump on second line?
Sean a starter?
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Old 05-22-2008, 05:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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seans 6 10 but long and athletic, i agree the second line is weak at the bigs which is why we try for diop but i think if they take out sean williams we cant afford to lose rasho which means we cant take on hassells contract really ao i dont know i think its fair for both teams

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Old 05-22-2008, 09:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Maybe switch Hassell for Diop? I don't think a 1st round pick is necessary..If there's nothing worth to draft maybe then sure but I don't think BC likes getting rid of too many draft picks.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:34 PM   #8 (permalink)
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you guys are all fucked.

You can't just ship Bargnani like that.

dude had;

1. Knee issues

Stemming from,

2. Achilles problems

3. Zero sleep all year and headaches, bad ones

4. As a reult of fucked up adnoids/devaited eptum + a massive 2 mnth sinus infection.

And you wanna ship him.

I think it's hilarious, ever wonder why other teams are all sniffing around the raps asking about Bargnani?

They are trying to get a deal...fuck that!!!!!

You're all fired with your trade scenario crap.
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
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hmm then thats too much from a newjersey perspective. I didnt realize in the lineup we would still have garbo and the second rounder from the clippers and draft Dorsey to play the PF position

Ford
Maggette
Jefferson
Bosh
Williams

second line(edited)

Roko
Parker/hassell
Batum/Garbo/Graham
Dorsey/hump/Baston
MLE(patrick obryant/diop)

Split MLE on Roko and obryant and then our second line isnt so thin and now can rebound and score, yes or no will the nets/clipps go for it
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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superjudge? did we offend you? why wouldnt your trade Bargnani for a allstar in Jefferson?
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Old 05-22-2008, 09:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Maggete and jefferson in the same team is just purely a bad idea. And that second line up is worse than the one we have right now.

Calderon, Bosh, Moon and Bargs are our players that shouldnt be traded. The rest can go. Ford, graham and one of Delfino/Parker/Kapono should be the ones used to get us something decent.
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superjudge? did we offend you? why wouldnt your trade Bargnani for a allstar in Jefferson?
Dont worry, SJ is like that, he doesnt mean bad. But I agree with him, even though I dont have a lot of faith on him, Bargs is a player with too much talent to give up on him. Just one more season. If he doesnt improve, Toronto should trade him.

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Old 05-23-2008, 01:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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problem is after one more sub-par season your return for him is nadda...can't pull the trigger on any deal with Bargs tho, his future IS this teams future. If he steps up, we pick up a somebody in the draft this team isn't looking half bad, if he busts...BC needs to trade Bosh, and rebuild
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Old 05-23-2008, 07:48 AM   #14 (permalink)
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i see but what if hes worse next year you cant get anyhing near the return i think you take the proven allstar and run and the second line isnt bad

Roko
Parker
Batum
Dorsey
Obryant

you dont know how they will turn out so how can it be bad:P and parker was a starter that bench is better than some benches in the league. last seasnon it was
calderon
delfino
kapono
hump
premo

but your not going to make the playoffs next year if suff isnt different. On espn it said Raptors on verge of blockbuster? even bc knows he needs to shake things up because atlanta, philly are already better than us but once you put the bulls in/miami/who knows what the knicks will do it leaves the rapors out of the playoff picture i think you need a shakeup and it starts with one point guard and acquiring a shot blocking centre to play wih bosh
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Old 05-23-2008, 09:10 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Maddog.

I'm not offended, I like swearing, I'm half trucker, half Sailor, which makes me a gay hooker, gimme sec................I just realised that now.................... ok I'm over it.

Anyhow.

I just dont like speculation of any type when you start making assumptions to support trade scenario's and roster shake ups.

I'm a realist.

Colangelo is always trying to improve, so to are 30 other teams. With about 1000 different things to think about, you can't just say ship this guy here, draft this guy, bring this guy in.

As for Bargnani, he isn't going anywhere unless it's for something Toronto will view as a complete steal. He's a #1 overall pick with what many still believe is a very high ceiling, and a completely elite skill set for his size. He's the Athabasca tar sands of basketball right now, start selling him off and some other team will be mining his riches for years to come. He's worth time and patience.

If he nets a lucrative and productive NEW oil mine in the arctic, we let him go. Richard Jefferson is no that oil reserve. He's old, and on his last legs as a top player. Not a good move unless you're one Richard JEfferson away from winning a title. Toronto may not make the playoffs next year, and if the season was 20 games longer, might not have made it this year.

Package up some shit and tear Curry and Crawford outta NYC. There's a start, let Bargnani platoon at center and PF, between Bosh and Curry he'd get close to 30+ mins a game against mostly second unit guys, and he'd light them up.

I like that.

But again, its all BS as who knows what NYC has planned.

Anyhow, I think all the stuff yo're reading on ESPN is BS, always is. Colangelo NEVER plays his card in the media, never has.
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I say move TJ, Rasho, and whoever for Diop, Jefferson, and Harris.
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Old 05-23-2008, 05:39 PM   #17 (permalink)
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CRAWFORD AND CURRY DO YOU WATCH BASKEBALL. crawford is a chucker, and curry cant get down the floor without a diet coke great trade proposal, u must love Bargnani alot and you dont concider sean williams and jefferson a steal? Dont give me that shit about not trading number 1's whered kwame brown go? Bargnani is not a good centre for the raps he doesnt rebound, sean williams blocks shots grabs rebounds and jefferson is an allstar which ure buddy Bargnani wont be. Next year when he sucks more you wont be able to get anything good maybe exspirings if ure lucky. As for the guy who propose harris, jefferson and diop you and that other guy must be smoking some good stuff to think we can get them for rasho, tj and whoever lmao more like bosh, ford and rasho you undervalue all three put urself in the nets shoes would you do jefferson, harris, diop for am injur prone point guard in tj. rasho and whoever? If you anwser yes please dont waste ure time responding
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CRAWFORD AND CURRY DO YOU WATCH BASKEBALL. crawford is a chucker, and curry cant get down the floor without a diet coke great trade proposal, u must love Bargnani alot and you dont concider sean williams and jefferson a steal? Dont give me that shit about not trading number 1's whered kwame brown go? Bargnani is not a good centre for the raps he doesnt rebound, sean williams blocks shots grabs rebounds and jefferson is an allstar which ure buddy Bargnani wont be. Next year when he sucks more you wont be able to get anything good maybe exspirings if ure lucky. As for the guy who propose harris, jefferson and diop you and that other guy must be smoking some good stuff to think we can get them for rasho, tj and whoever lmao more like bosh, ford and rasho you undervalue all three put urself in the nets shoes would you do jefferson, harris, diop for am injur prone point guard in tj. rasho and whoever? If you anwser yes please dont waste ure time responding
Woah .... maddog's gone rabid.

Just relax a bit mofo .... it's opinion .... that's it, that's all.
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Old 05-23-2008, 06:54 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Nets won't take Bargs. At least for that trade anyway. Go with someone younger, and a little worse that Williams.
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RJ at 17 millions is a bad contract, the Nets shopped him all year and couldn't find a buyer. At the same salary, Marion is a much better all around player.
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