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View Poll Results: Which would have the biggest impact on our W column.
Fire BC 11 17.19%
Fire Casey 7 10.94%
Get rid of Bargs 36 56.25%
Other 10 15.63%
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:21 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I chose the trade Bargnani option but not why you think.

Firing BC achieves nothing. Team will not become better, not in span of this season.
Firing Casey might affect W column, negatively.
Trading Bargs will most certainly change W. Not becaue of what we get for him.

Frontcourt will change. We have talent on the bench, Amir and Ed and Aaron all capable of starting and playing at high level. But Raptors have relied on a scoring PF for a long long time. We have no plays for wings or guards. We need scoring from bigs or its over.
So we get the defensive minded bigs and lose more games. And earn a high pick for OKC, have fun.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:07 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I chose the trade Bargnani option but not why you think.
That's exactly why I thought you did it.
But I believe we'll win more than 20% of games without il muggo.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:20 AM   #23 (permalink)
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On the subject of actual on-court play, Bargnani being traded. It would force us to play a different style. BC getting fired would do the least, though I think that HAS to be the first thing that happens.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:12 AM   #24 (permalink)
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So, you guys seriously want to get rid of Barg just because of 2-19 shooting against SAS last night?

Remember, he dropped 34 pts / 25 pts / 22 pts in his last 3 games prior to SAS game. I guess 2-19 is more of a condition issue. If you guys are posting this stupid "Trade Barg" thread for every f_cked up games, I wonder why such thread was not raised for DD's poor performance on last friday against DET.

If Barg was playing poorly and Davis was playing well, then it was Casey's responsibility to play Davis over Barg during the game. Casey doesn't know who's doing good/poor on the day.

It's not like Barg asked Casey for playing minutes. It was actually Dwane Casey who pushed Barg into the floor and Davis was called back to the bench.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:35 AM   #25 (permalink)
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So, you guys seriously want to get rid of Barg just because of 2-19 shooting against SAS last night?

Remember, he dropped 34 pts / 25 pts / 22 pts in his last 3 games prior to SAS game. I guess 2-19 is more of a condition issue. If you guys are posting this stupid "Trade Barg" thread for every f_cked up games, I wonder why such thread was not raised for DD's poor performance on last friday against DET.

If Barg was playing poorly and Davis was playing well, then it was Casey's responsibility to play Davis over Barg during the game. Casey doesn't know who's doing good/poor on the day.

It's not like Barg asked Casey for playing minutes. It was actually Dwane Casey who pushed Barg into the floor and Davis was called back to the bench.

No, he's been inconsistent his whole career! This team will never go anywhere or truely change the culture playing our worst two defenders (Bargs + Calderon) 60-65mpg. His only strong suite is his shooting/scoring and that has been inconsistent as well. Add to that his lack of real effort on the court most nights. The other night he grabbed a rebound against Detroit, and he grabbed that board on sheer will/effort. I remember being rather shocked when he did it. And when someone is that surprised someone gave maximum effort and you question said players heart/effort after 6-7 seasons (a player that gets 35mpg) you know that as a team you have a fundamental issue with the direction of the team and this player either has to play less/off the bench or be shipped out of town. If not both Andrea/Jose, one of them has to go. And I would vote Andrea before Jose given Calderon has an expiring and JL3 as the primary backup gives me the willies!

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:51 AM   #26 (permalink)
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So, you guys seriously want to get rid of Barg just because of 2-19 shooting against SAS last night?

Remember, he dropped 34 pts / 25 pts / 22 pts in his last 3 games prior to SAS game. I guess 2-19 is more of a condition issue. If you guys are posting this stupid "Trade Barg" thread for every f_cked up games, I wonder why such thread was not raised for DD's poor performance on last friday against DET.

If Barg was playing poorly and Davis was playing well, then it was Casey's responsibility to play Davis over Barg during the game. Casey doesn't know who's doing good/poor on the day.

It's not like Barg asked Casey for playing minutes. It was actually Dwane Casey who pushed Barg into the floor and Davis was called back to the bench.
The difference is that DD has taken strides to improve his overall game on a yearly basis... while Bargs has been steadily regressing.

Bargs in 09/10: 47%FG, 37%3P
Bargs in 10/11: 45%FG, 35%3P
Bargs in 11/12: 43%FG, 30%3P
Bargs in 12/13: 39%FG, 34%3P

This isn't some blip on the radar... it's been a trend for a while now.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:56 AM   #27 (permalink)
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A PF who can't rebound shooting 39%.

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:08 AM   #28 (permalink)
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It's not just his play that is putting fans off, it's the organization's attitude towards him as well:

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“Ed (Davis) played well tonight and he made good of his minutes. I was really happy for him and you can second guess me of not getting him back in, but I’ve got to go with Andrea, come hell or high water, he’s our guy,” said Casey.

“He just got 34 points and he was doing a good job with his seven-foot length on Duncan, I thought he did a good job on him.”
To the Raptors organization, he can do no wrong.

"I've GOT to go with Andrea, come hell or high water, he's our guy."

Why do you GOT TO? WHY? WHY. We're already locked into a mindset where no matter what he is the top dog on the team.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:08 AM   #29 (permalink)
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You don't fire or trade anyone. Geeze just to come on here and see all the poison from this fan base. One day it Bargs, another day its DD another day its Lowry (Mike James ) then it Calderon this has to stop. etc,etc,etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:16 AM   #30 (permalink)
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There is no way Bargnani gets traded. If he plays like crap - we don't get anything in return. If he plays good - hope returns and coach/bc won't trade player that's playing good.

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:22 AM   #31 (permalink)
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And I would vote Andrea before Jose given Calderon has an expiring and JL3 as the primary backup gives me the willies!
You're not the only one. *Shudder*. Worst backup PG in the league?

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You don't fire or trade anyone. Geeze just to come on here and see all the poison from this fan base. One day it Bargs, another day its DD another day its Lowry (Mike James ) then it Calderon this has to stop. etc,etc,etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Sorry but that's rubbish. I think this board is a lot less fickle than it could be. Come on we're getting demolished with this set up. We just want progress as fans. I love Bargs, he's an allstar talent, but this just isn't happening at the moment.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:29 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Step away from the ganga.
You seriously think Bargs would be chucking up this junk and not boarding if he was on the Celtics or Lakers?
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You seriously think Bargs would be chucking up this junk and not boarding if he was on the Celtics or Lakers?
He'd be coming off the bench scoring 8-10 points a game and barely getting two rebounds a night if he were on the Celtics or Lakers.

Please explain how the Raptors are keeping Bargnani from being efficient or rebounding well?
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You seriously think Bargs would be chucking up this junk and not boarding if he was on the Celtics or Lakers?


How the fuck would I or anyone else know that? Either way, he's not an all-star talent and at the moment he's a borderline starter.
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How the fuck would I or anyone else know that? Either way, he's not an all-star talent and at the moment he's a borderline starter.
He's not an all-star TALENT. Are you for real? If Bargs played with hustle and heart he'd be a top 5 player in the league. His skill set is insane for a 7fter. Have you seen his dribble drive? It's immense.

Of course you can't KNOW he'd be better elsewhere, but he's had such an easy ride in TO its ridiculous (Same as Demar). Gifted contracts, playing time and a starting role since day basically. There's simply no incentives for Bargs to try. This is another reason I want Casey gone. How is saying you'll play him starter minutes for EVERY game for the foreseeable future creating an atmosphere of accountability. It's absolute BS and he HAS TO GO. I'd have thought common sense would tell you Bargs would be better with Kobe or KG kicking his lazy ass.

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Please explain how the Raptors are keeping Bargnani from being efficient or rebounding well?
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He's had such an easy ride in TO its ridiculous (Same as Demar). Gifted contracts playing time and a starting role since day 1 basically. There's simply no incentives for Bargs to try. This is another reason I want Casey gone. How is saying you'll play him starter minutes for EVERY game for the forseeable future creating an atmosphere of accountability. I'd have thought common sense would tell you Bargs would be better with Kobe or KG kicking his lazy ass.
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He's not an all-star TALENT. Are you for real? If Bargs played with hustle and heart he'd be a top 5 player in the league. His skill set is insane for a 7fter. Have you seen his dribble drive? It's immense.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:47 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Ha ha. Everyone accusing me of being BC. Hilarious...


Sorry but if you can't see the potential Bargs has as a player in the league you've been blinded by hate.

IF my employer never EVER checked the quality of my work, and I knew no matter how well I performed I'd continue with the same job role and pay I'd start to slack.

It's known as human nature.
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He's not an all-star TALENT. Are you for real? If Bargs played with hustle and heart he'd be a top 5 player in the league. His skill set is insane for a 7fter. Have you seen his dribble drive? It's immense.

Of course you can't KNOW he'd be better elsewhere, but he's had such an easy ride in TO its ridiculous (Same as Demar). Gifted contracts, playing time and a starting role since day basically. There's simply no incentives for Bargs to try. This is another reason I want Casey gone. How is saying you'll play him starter minutes for EVERY game for the foreseeable future creating an atmosphere of accountability. It's absolute BS and he HAS TO GO. I'd have thought common sense would tell you Bargs would be better with Kobe or KG kicking his lazy ass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE

If Bargnani needs motivation to play hard, he shouldn't be a professional athlete. It's nothing like DD at all so don't compare the two.

edit: I tried using the YT tag to post a video but it doesn't seem to be showing up. It might just be on my end.

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