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Old 12-08-2013, 06:30 PM   #41 (permalink)
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that's cool, they're stuck with no picks and tied up in salary with barely any assets and no hope to make it to the first round.

thanks for proving my point.
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Old 12-08-2013, 06:32 PM   #42 (permalink)
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IF MU thinks that's the case, why do we need to completely rid the team? we're pretty shitty as it is so far; we could even not make any trades and still end up with good lotto chances.

but say if we really want to make sure, we trade lowry and or amir, as in option B, and we really really just become utterly void of talent. no PG. no decent backup bigs whatsoever. that'll get you top 5 chances, and we won't have to rebuild for 3 years.

unless you think we should trade demar, rudy, lowry, amir, TH , and be left with complete d leaguers and picks, and rebuild for 3 years. that's your idea of fun? go rot in a whole
First, like some people already said chill out dude it's just basketball. Second, I haven't seen one person state on this forum that they would trade all of demar, rudy, lowry, amir, TH, etc and just gut the team. Most people here just want MU to explore every option because that is his job. It's pretty obvious by the way we are playing that we are going to rebuild and I agree with Kirby in regards to the Knicks situation.

I for one don't want the Raps to be a treadmill team anymore and if we are doing this rebuild it should be done properly. If that leaves us with as you said "a team complete of d-leaguers and picks then so be it. We have for too long done nothing but fucking patch jobs over the years with our roster with shitty FA signings like Turkopoo and trading young talent like Roy Hibbert away for an old broken down JO.

Look at OKC back when they were the Sonics. They traded there most valuable asset in Ray Allen to acquire expiring contracts and picks. They did a sign and trade with Rashard Lewis going to the Magic and used the trade exception and Kurt Thomas to land them 2 1st rounders from Phoenix. From all of that and their 2 bad seasons of 20 and 23 wins they got to draft Durant, Green, Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden. They sucked for years but it has paid off big time. I'm not saying we will become OKC 2.0 but I'd rather take this gamble than doing the same overpaying, free agent signing / horrible trading routine that we have followed for the last 10 years.
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Treadmill refers to their past years as well as the current, otherwise it wouldn't be a treadmill; just a failed year.
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First, like some people already said chill out dude it's just basketball. Second, I haven't seen one person state on this forum that they would trade all of demar, rudy, lowry, amir, TH, etc and just gut the team. Most people here just want MU to explore every option because that is his job. It's pretty obvious by the way we are playing that we are going to rebuild and I agree with Kirby in regards to the Knicks situation.

I for one don't want the Raps to be a treadmill team anymore and if we are doing this rebuild it should be done properly. If that leaves us with as you said "a team complete of d-leaguers and picks then so be it. We have for too long done nothing but fucking patch jobs over the years with our roster with shitty FA signings like Turkopoo and trading young talent like Roy Hibbert away for an old broken down JO.

Look at OKC back when they were the Sonics. They traded there most valuable asset in Ray Allen to acquire expiring contracts and picks. They did a sign and trade with Rashard Lewis going to the Magic and used the trade exception and Kurt Thomas to land them 2 1st rounders from Phoenix. From all of that and their 2 bad seasons of 20 and 23 wins they got to draft Durant, Green, Ibaka, Westbrook, and Harden. They sucked for years but it has paid off big time. I'm not saying we will become OKC 2.0 but I'd rather take this gamble than doing the same overpaying, free agent signing / horrible trading routine that we have followed for the last 10 years.
yo I mean, people weren't happy with what BC was doing. Now people are begging for it. maybe I'm sick of these filthy casuals.
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yo I mean, people weren't happy with what BC was doing. Now people are begging for it. maybe I'm sick of these filthy casuals.
It doesn't matter what is done, there will always be someone here that will bitch about it haha
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Old 12-08-2013, 07:01 PM   #46 (permalink)
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yo I mean, people weren't happy with what BC was doing. Now people are begging for it. maybe I'm sick of these filthy casuals.
how am I begging for what BC did? I just don't go around blindly calling our own assets garbage, overpaid, and overrated. I look at what we have, look to what we should keep, not keep, etc, and go on from there.


key difference being, I, like many GM's in the league and some (surprisingly) few others on here like DD and wish to keep him while you call him an overpaid chucker. (oh my bad, you call him decent on offence now).

there is no magic button that's going to get you a durant, or lebron, in the draft. you have a MAXIMUM of 25 percent chance of getting the first pick, and even then it's a crap shoot. countless first picks have flopped, even in supposedly strong drafts.

BC did a terrible job. he went after big names, rather than trying to make a winning system, and getting players who can fit in said system.

you can't build a winning system on minimal chances of landing a star. you just can't. every day I'm thankful we have MU running the ship, and not some posters on here like you, because otherwise we'd be clippers 2.0 for the next 50 years
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how am I begging for what BC did? I just don't go around blindly calling our own assets garbage, overpaid, and overrated. I look at what we have, look to what we should keep, not keep, etc, and go on from there.


key difference being, I, like many GM's in the league and some (surprisingly) few others on here like DD and wish to keep him while you call him an overpaid chucker. (oh my bad, you call him decent on offence now).

there is no magic button that's going to get you a durant, or lebron, in the draft. you have a MAXIMUM of 25 percent chance of getting the first pick, and even then it's a crap shoot. countless first picks have flopped, even in supposedly strong drafts.

BC did a terrible job. he went after big names, rather than trying to make a winning system, and getting players who can fit in said system.

you can't build a winning system on minimal chances of landing a star. you just can't. every day I'm thankful we have MU running the ship, and not some posters on here like you, because otherwise we'd be clippers 2.0 for the next 50 years

Could you be so kind and make up a Winning trade that would make sense, without trading Derozan? I'm not even sure you know what you are talking about. Please don't be shy prove me wrong and elaborate on winning trades
You don't need to draft #1 overall..

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how am I begging for what BC did? I just don't go around blindly calling our own assets garbage, overpaid, and overrated. I look at what we have, look to what we should keep, not keep, etc, and go on from there.


key difference being, I, like many GM's in the league and some (surprisingly) few others on here like DD and wish to keep him while you call him an overpaid chucker. (oh my bad, you call him decent on offence now).

there is no magic button that's going to get you a durant, or lebron, in the draft. you have a MAXIMUM of 25 percent chance of getting the first pick, and even then it's a crap shoot. countless first picks have flopped, even in supposedly strong drafts.

BC did a terrible job. he went after big names, rather than trying to make a winning system, and getting players who can fit in said system.

you can't build a winning system on minimal chances of landing a star. you just can't. every day I'm thankful we have MU running the ship, and not some posters on here like you, because otherwise we'd be clippers 2.0 for the next 50 years
I like Lowry, I think DD has become a good scorer, Amir's an awesome role player, and JV is our future. Our sophomores are cool, they need time to develop. Gay sucks, is over-paid, and overrated. The rest, you consider them assets? LOL.
You'd like to keep DD, smart GMs would sell high cus he ain't special or anything irreplaceable.

which is why I just said that Ujiri is still deciding who to keep and who to ship off for assets.

This is the strongest draft in a decade, raved about by all GMs (clearly not you, unlike all the other GMs). It goes deep my friend, and is filled with franchise-changing talents.

What's your plan smart guy? Mr fucking brilliant, tell me how we're gonna win not by building through the draft, but to continue building with this "amazing core we have".

Let me guess, you gonna have MU trade our sky-high rated assets and magically win out in trades to improve? NOPE.

You gonna use our cap space to sign some nice players? wait we can't cus we have none.

So if you ever have the ability to comprehend what I'm trying to tell you and realize we are capped out and need to start from the bottom, you'd know that we have to stop supporting BC's "core" and rebuild from the ground up. You'd also learn to comprehend that nowhere did I ever say get rid of everyone or that we need to land the first pick to be successful in the draft.

But for now, tell me how you would turn this team around? Organic growth right?
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Could you be so kind and make up a Winning trade that would make sense, without trading Derozan? I'm not even sure you know what you are talking about. Please don't be shy prove me wrong and elaborate on winning trades
You don't need to draft #1 overall..

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I guess I just wasted my breath lol. A child's mind would have got the same message reading this as reading mine, I suppose. Thanks LOG.
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I like Lowry, I think DD has become a good scorer, Amir's an awesome role player, and JV is our future. Our sophomores are cool, they need time to develop. Gay sucks, is over-paid, and overrated. The rest, you consider them assets? LOL.
You'd like to keep DD, smart GMs would sell high cus he ain't special or anything irreplaceable.

which is why I just said that Ujiri is still deciding who to keep and who to ship off for assets.

This is the strongest draft in a decade, raved about by all GMs (clearly not you, unlike all the other GMs). It goes deep my friend, and is filled with franchise-changing talents.

What's your plan smart guy? Mr fucking brilliant, tell me how we're gonna win not by building through the draft, but to continue building with this "amazing core we have".

Let me guess, you gonna have MU trade our sky-high rated assets and magically win out in trades to improve? NOPE.

You gonna use our cap space to sign some nice players? wait we can't cus we have none.

So if you ever have the ability to comprehend what I'm trying to tell you and realize we are capped out and need to start from the bottom, you'd know that we have to stop supporting BC's "core" and rebuild from the ground up. You'd also learn to comprehend that nowhere did I ever say get rid of everyone or that we need to land the first pick to be successful in the draft.

But for now, tell me how you would turn this team around? Organic growth right?
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I guess I just wasted my breath lol. A child's mind would have got the same message reading this as reading mine, I suppose. Thanks LOG.
we're the same age you fucking condescending, self important tool.

trade lowry for: young players not on long contracts + maybe a pick or so

package in amir there for more gain if you want (I'm a fan of him, would rather keep him).

with no lowry, and the pg's this team has, this team becomes horrendous. we end up with a top 10 chance in the lotto, make a pick in this ( I admit it's deep, but that's not the issue), and then we have solid pieces to actually make a move.

get rid of gay's contract however way you can so as to free up cap space and sign a pg in FA or get a young one through the above mentioned trades

young pg, backups
DD, ross
pick, fields
Amir, TH
Val, ??? (FA/trade maybe?)

if these rooks panout to be anything near what they're being hyped to be, that's a good team with the ability to go deep in the playoffs with a good coach
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