The worst off season moves
Old 07-24-2010, 11:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Toronto Raptors and Amir Johnson: One would think the Raptors have learned their lesson regarding throwing a lot of money to unproven niche players after the Hedo Torkoglu signing. Yet, the Raptors have re-signed Johnson to a five-year, $34 million deal. At just 23, Johnson is a great defender and a quality shooter. What he is not is a $34 million player.

He has been in the NBA for only five seasons and has the minute total of just one full season. Johnson is also terribly undersized for a 6-foot-10 player and not a suitable replacement for Chris Bosh. The Raptors’ other frontcourt presence, Andrea Bargnani, is also not a physical inside player. Given the Raptors current need for as much physicality as possible, giving the unproven Johnson an inflated long-term deal seems like a glaring mistake.
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The Atlanta Hawks and Joe Johnson: Remember when Joe Johnson was booed off the court by Atlanta fans following the embarrassing four-game sweep of the Hawks by the Orlando Magic? The Magic averaged 25 point victories throughout the series. Hawks management seems to have forgotten when they inked Johnson to a six-year, $124 million deal.

A player with that sort of salary cannot shoot 30 percent in the playoffs and average 12.8 points per game, which are Johnson’s totals for that series.
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New York Knicks and Amare Stoudemire: The Knicks shelled out a whopping 5-year, $100 million deal for Stoudemire via a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns. Stoudemire’s sudden garish contract was meant more so as an indicator to other top free agents, like LeBron James, as to how serious the Knicks were about paying top-dollar for top players.

Unfortunately, Stoudemire isn’t a top player, and is just a slight statistical improvement over their former power forward/centre David Lee. Lee was affordable and it is likely Stoudemire won’t be significantly different in anything other than wage.

Stoudemire’s career has also been built on running the pick-and-roll with the NBA’s best point guard, Steve Nash. On the Knicks, Raymond Felton will be the one dishing Stoudemire the ball. This means he will have to create a lot more of his own scoring rather since he won’t be fortunate enough to have the deadeye accuracy of Nash helping him out.

To top this off, Stoudemire is also coming off of microfracture surgery, which does not bode well for someone whose main strength is his leap ability. Overall, a lot of pressure is on Stoudemire and is doesn’t seem like New York and Stoudemire are a recipe for success, at least not until the rest of the roster improves.
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wasn't it a $30 mil deal?
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wasn't it a $30 mil deal?
It was reported as both, not sure?
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Old 07-24-2010, 11:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Amir got offers from teams for the same kind of money, so he'd get paid that regardless of where he played.:facepalm:
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Johnson is also terribly undersized for a 6-foot-10 player and not a suitable replacement for Chris Bosh. The Raptors’ other frontcourt presence, Andrea Bargnani, is also not a physical inside player. Given the Raptors current need for as much physicality as possible, giving the unproven Johnson an inflated long-term deal seems like a glaring mistake.
Amir's not a physical presence? I may be wrong but wasnt he the guy who tried his hardest to get inside and get some offensive and defensive boards and score around the basket? And so what if hes undersized. Barkley was about 6,5ish and bullied everyone in side to the point where they created the back to the basket rule.
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Amir got offers from teams for the same kind of money, so he'd get paid that regardless of where he played.:facepalm:
I don't remember reading that.
I remember him saying he was looking for 26ish, and got 34 and couldn't stop smiling :facepalm:

Also, how isn't the Darko signing in there(didn't look, but god damn that signing is bad)
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:26 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I remember him saying something like...

"I was looking for around 26, and when I was offered 34, I couldn't stop smiling after that"

He said this right beside B.C, as well. I wonder what B.C. was thinking right about this time?
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Old 07-24-2010, 01:30 PM   #8 (permalink)
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you guys = EDIT


he'd have left.

played well as a depth guy for another team.

and you'd all be crying.

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Old 07-24-2010, 02:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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undersized at 6'10? wtf
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Old 07-24-2010, 02:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
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undersized at 6'10? wtf
220lbs if that.

Which is why he said- Undersized FOR a 6'10'' forward.

In contrast, Kleiza is 6'8'' 260lbs.

Ed Davis out weighs Johnson and everyone says he needs to add 20lbs.

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Amir's not a physical presence? I may be wrong but wasnt he the guy who tried his hardest to get inside and get some offensive and defensive boards and score around the basket? And so what if hes undersized. Barkley was about 6,5ish and bullied everyone in side to the point where they created the back to the basket rule.
Amir is about 6'9" 210lbs.

"Sir Charles" was about 6'4" 250 lbs.

Big difference.

Amir is going to try to outjump people.... because he sure isn't going to outmuscle them.
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Amir is going to try to outjump people.... because he sure isn't going to outmuscle them.
agreed
i like Amir...but if he doesn't find a way to correct his foul troubles then this contract could bite the Raptors in the ass
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Amir is about 6'9" 210lbs.

"Sir Charles" was about 6'4" 250 lbs.

Big difference.

Amir is going to try to outjump people.... because he sure isn't going to outmuscle them.
Rebounding isn't all outmuscling people.
Its kind of like 40% position 30% stength and 30% wanting the ball more IMO.
From what ive seen this season and his work ethic, he'll be just fine if he can stay out of foul trouble.
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He's a quality shooter. LMAO I think they meant he has a high field goal percentage.
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I don't remember reading that.
I remember him saying he was looking for 26ish, and got 34 and couldn't stop smiling :facepalm:

Also, how isn't the Darko signing in there(didn't look, but god damn that signing is bad)
i would say because it meant Minny could get rid of Al Jeffereson and his huge contract. Which they flipped for two future first rounders from Utah and a decent center prospect.
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And no word about Hedo !!!
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Amir's not a physical presence? I may be wrong but wasnt he the guy who tried his hardest to get inside and get some offensive and defensive boards and score around the basket? And so what if hes undersized. Barkley was about 6,5ish and bullied everyone in side to the point where they created the back to the basket rule.
You might want to read it again..
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And no word about Hedo !!!
Of course not. Pheonix made a bold move don't ya know?

You won't hear about him having one of the worst contract in the league anymore.
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Amir is about 6'9" 210lbs.

"Sir Charles" was about 6'4" 250 lbs.

Big difference.

Amir is going to try to outjump people.... because he sure isn't going to outmuscle them.

Amir was 6'9 210lbs. when he was drafted as an 18 year old.

I think he's grown a little since then.

Just sayin...
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Amir was 6'9 210lbs. when he was drafted as an 18 year old.

I think he's grown a little since then.

Just sayin...
He's currently listed at 6'10'' 210lbs. I think he's more like 220lbs though.
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