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jeffb 07-08-2012 12:09 PM

Wolstat: Would be a major surprise if James Johnson is back next season
 
Obviously this rift during the season with Casey is deeper then we may have thought. Sounds Like James thinks more of his game than the coaching staff does?


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Ryan Wolstat ‏@WolstatSun
I don't have specifics on why James Johnson will be gone, just that it would be a major surprise if he is a Raptor next season.
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Tim Chisholm ‏@timpchisholm
@WolstatSun It’s because he and the coaching staff have very different opinions of what kind of player he is/should be.

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Ryan Wolstat ‏@WolstatSun
@timpchisholm Yes that's a big part of it.

Ex2k 07-08-2012 12:14 PM

Watch him be traded for a 2nd rounder :sigh:w

jeffb 07-08-2012 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ex2k (Post 667788)
Watch him be traded for a 2nd rounder :sigh:w

If he's traded alone i wouldn't be surprised. Maybe we get a protected 1st for him or something. But i think he'll part of a bigger deal with one of Amir, Davis.

JJ, Davis, Calderon, 2nd for Iguodala :haha:

dfunkie1 07-08-2012 12:25 PM

why post tweets of baseless opinions of the toronto sun sports journalists. these dudes are hacks, who cares what they think. johnson came back from his benching playing minutes and solid basketball. that to me, as baseless as it is, means that they came to an agreement to what type of basketball player he is.

jeffb 07-08-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 667795)
why post tweets of baseless opinions of the toronto sun sports journalists. these dudes are hacks, who cares what they think. johnson came back from his benching playing minutes and solid basketball. that to me, as baseless as it is, means that they came to an agreement to what type of basketball player he is.

mehh, this wouldn't surprise me one bit to be honest. even when he came back he played less minutes and there seemed to be a little tension there. he just seems like the kind of guy that thinks he's a bonified starter. BC went and signed fields and extended the QO for Weems, all that tells me is JJ is far from safe.

LX 07-08-2012 12:34 PM

Twitter - where you don't need secifics, just bold statements.

Was there even a rift? Or just actions taken to help a pretty thick player fully understand what is expected of him?

dfunkie1 07-08-2012 12:38 PM

i don't see how being a bonified starter would be the issue at hand. from what i recall, he didn't lose his spot up until his benching. he's definitely expendable, but everyone on our roster basically is. i don't see these moves being made to specifically replace him, especially since both don't necessarily have his versatility on both ends of the court.

jeffb 07-08-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 667798)
Or just actions taken to help a pretty thick player fully understand what is expected of him?

isn't that the same as the player and coach having different opinions on the role of the player. which is pretty much what he' saying

carp 07-08-2012 12:44 PM

Colangelo loved this guy during his draft process, made sure to find a way to get him, and despite his falling out, I doubt he's just going to be cast off without getting much back. If it's part of a big deal, sure.... JJ has made too many major strides offensively to just give away.

DocHoliday99 07-08-2012 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 667800)
isn't that the same as the player and coach having different opinions on the role of the player. which is pretty much what he' saying

That's a bit of a surprise though I think a lot of posters comment that JJ makes a great off the bench player if he could stop thinking he's MJ at times. Guess that thinking is more prevalent than suspected.

Meh role player, plenty of those around.

LX 07-08-2012 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 667800)
isn't that the same as the player and coach having different opinions on the role of the player. which is pretty much what he' saying

Read what I posted. How does coming to an understanding, albeit the hard way, equate to holding different opinions?

jeffb 07-08-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 667807)
Read what I posted. How does coming to an understanding, albeit the hard way, equate to holding different opinions?

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 667798)
help a pretty thick player fully understand what is expected of him?

^ wouldn't that mean that there was a difference of opinion on his role before this hypothetical understanding was met?

LX 07-08-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 667809)
^ wouldn't that mean that there was a difference of opinion on his role before this hypothetical understanding was met?

Yeah, but does that indicate a rift? Or just that JJ is a bit thick? All you have to do is listen to the guy since he got here to realize that he was going to have to adjust his perceptions. I think if a coach can make that happen it opens up a chance for him to realize a great deal of value.

jeffb 07-08-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 667811)
Yeah, but does that indicate a rift? Or just that JJ is a bit thick? All you have to do is listen to the guy since he got here to realize that he was going to have to adjust his perceptions. I think if a coach can make that happen it opens up a chance for him to realize a great deal of value.

to me, sitting a guy for a week + indicates something fairly significant. could be that i'm reading more into it but i just get the feeling there is more to this. i guess we'll see soon enough.

DSWC 07-08-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 667798)
Twitter - where you don't need secifics, just bold statements.

Was there even a rift? Or just actions taken to help a pretty thick player fully understand what is expected of him?

That's what I don't like a out twitter. You don't know if the person is connected or just that the wording is passed off like fact due to the character limit.

I have no idea about the rift, but I read on another message board -so please take that for what it's worth - that Janes Johnson showed up to a practice still drunk. Again…that could be pure fiction, but if it were something along those lines, I could see why Casey and BC may not want him around while trying to create a new culture.

Whether that Rumour was true or not, I like how tight-lipped the organization was about the situation. With JJ, it depends on (whatever he did) that I his actions were a one time thing, or part of a larger disruptive behaviour.

Chris 07-08-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 667795)
why post tweets of baseless opinions of the toronto sun sports journalists. these dudes are hacks, who cares what they think. johnson came back from his benching playing minutes and solid basketball. that to me, as baseless as it is, means that they came to an agreement to what type of basketball player he is.

It makes for good discussion.

He's a solid player, I was hoping him and Casey had worked through whatever happened last season. I'm not going to speculate anything yet until I hear something concrete on the issue. He would be a decent backup at sf though.

Chris 07-08-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DSWC (Post 667815)
That's what I don't like a out twitter. You don't know if the person is connected or just that the wording is passed off like fact due to the character limit.

I have no idea about the rift, but I read on another message board -so please take that for what it's worth - that Janes Johnson showed up to a practice still drunk. Again…that could be pure fiction, but if it were something along those lines, I could see why Casey and BC may not want him around while trying to create a new culture.

Whether that Rumour was true or not, I like how tight-lipped the organization was about the situation. With JJ, it depends on (whatever he did) that I his actions were a one time thing, or part of a larger disruptive behaviour.

I agree, you have to take what you see on Twitter with a grain of salt. Remember the dude saying Nash had signed with NY a few days ago?

TORaptor4Ever 07-08-2012 01:46 PM

Hmmmm..... I would be very disappointed if JJ wasn't part of our future plans.

He was one of reasons that I actually didn't mind watching the games last season.

DDUnreal 07-08-2012 01:50 PM

Still not too sure what to make of him to be honest. The weird ending of last season really sucks. If he can play with the passion we've seen from him from time to time hes a great bench SF. That being said you could say that about a lot of bench 3s around the league.

RAPMAN 07-08-2012 02:18 PM

Best defensive player on the Raps by far. Fearless defender, doesn't care who is guarding or attempting to block on the defensive end. We need him when the team faces players like Lebron, Pierce, Durant, Carmelo, Granger etc. He lead the team in blocks and steals at the small forward position.


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