Wolstat: Should the Raps trade Derozan or Bargnani?
Old 05-31-2012, 12:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nobody asked but to me, it would make more sense to keep the pick and move DeRozan or Bargnani for a quality veteran
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DeMar is going to need to be paid soon. Has he shown anybody that he's going to be worth the huge amount he's going to ask for?
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Cap management is more important than ever and these are the things Bryan and his staff are thinking about as well
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Sure a DeRozan trade could blow up in Toronto's face, or would save them from overpaying an average/below-average starter
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I doubt DeRozan is traded this season...
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No way DeRozan gets traded, its way too early to send him packing.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:36 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It's a very good question re: DeRozan..... at this point, I'm not sure what the price would be for a guard that hasn't really elevated his play enough but is still really young. If it's 5M per I'd say that's fair.... but I'm sure he's going to want more than that. Maybe a DD and Amir for Batum trade would work!
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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you get rid of derozan the rebuilding process takes another step back. Personally wouldn't mind that if the right decision is made but personally don't think BC has the time to redo the process.
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You entertain every possibility. If one of the guards really impresses in workouts, and it seems like the player has all-star potential, it makes sense to consider trading DD.

Although I don't agree with the Harold Minor comparison, I do agree with SJ that overpaying is a risk in the future. I could easily see Derozan's agent ask for 8 to 10 mill per. At this point, that's an ugly contract (things might change). I would be hesitent to give that to OJ Mayo in free agency, and I prefer OJ over DD.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
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For a veteran? Wtf no, we are not going in the "win now" direction. We're still building and weak at the guard position
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
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For all my griping about Derozan, I am perfectly happy if they give him another year to do his thing. I think last year was a bad year for developing or new players all over the league, not just DD. He looked to have made strides, but then that ridiculous schedule happened and he clearly relapsed. I want to see what a full and proper offseason with proper supervision and advice can do for him.

Next seasom has to be his. The spotlight won't be on him, it will be squarely on JV and Bargnani, and even the new recruit to a lessor extent. he can operate under the radar and achieve his limits. If he can't do it under that set of circumstances, then he can't do it period, THEN, you let him walk or trade him.

But ya, put up or shut up for him.... to that extent, same with Bargnani.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:24 PM   #9 (permalink)
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There is nobody on this team that can't be traded, particularly if it means getting a player that fits perfectly with the overall plan.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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There is nobody on this team that can't be traded, particularly if it means getting a player that fits perfectly with the overall plan.
this post will always trump all posts in any thread like this, because it's the truth...best save this one until a few more pages go by LZ...I think ya pulled it out too early.

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There is nobody on this team that can't be traded, particularly if it means getting a player that fits perfectly with the overall plan.
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Do NOT trade DeRozan, he's young and continously improving. His year 3 numbers were slightly down from year 2 but a lot of that is because he became more of a focal point in the offense forcing teams to game plan for him more. His overall game did improve however as far as decision making on offense.

I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade Bargnani yet either. It makes more sense to entertain offers involving Bargnani to see his market value but no transaction is necessary at the moment. The main thing is for the public,Bargnani & the team to somehow eliminate the idea that Toronto can build around him because he's not a number one player and doesn't shows signs of wanting to be a franchise player/all star but he's a good complimentary piece.

There's not a veteran (who isn't another team's franchise player and all star caliber) that will come into Toronto, takeover the team and change the cultute. Its a far fetched idea by Wolstat that would stunt the team's growth
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
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throw them on the trading block see what we get for them
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i will just say no way for DD. when you have a 22yrs old guard whom put 17ppg in a difficult 3rd season, and show us that he can pass more the ball, and fit in the system. you don't trade him and break the core of this team.
but at the same time, if you get a 25/28yrs old SG or SF whom ca provide more, ok. but if it's for a pick, i would say no. (ya i know nobody cares about what i say, but whatever.)

in the case of barg, that another story. because even if JV has a huge season, you don't want to take the risk to surexpose him with a low-average defender at PF. that will burn JV in the 2-3 first season.

i don't want to scare people but i don't want JV to be the next biedrins.

but also like LX said, no one is that good to not be on the trade list for now. (except JV)
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It's a very good question re: DeRozan..... at this point, I'm not sure what the price would be for a guard that hasn't really elevated his play enough but is still really young. If it's 5M per I'd say that's fair.... but I'm sure he's going to want more than that. Maybe a DD and Amir for Batum trade would work!
a DD and Amir for Batum trade. Really!! Horrible trade. Yet I wouldn't be too surprised if we wheel and deal w/ Port considering they got pick 7 and 11... and we may want to trade up or down in light of the many potential outcomes
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Ideally, you'd want to trade Bargs now rather than DeRozan if exploring all trading options, since Bargs could net more value (low salary + production he gives), and I doubt he'd get a lot better next season. (he's plateaued into a 7 foot Jamal Crawford. DeRozan I think will only take a step forward next year since he's still young, and the shortened season really hindered his development. With a full season next year that includes training camp, etc, he has a lot of chances to improve.

And that Amir and DD for Batum trade is pretty shit.
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Old 05-31-2012, 08:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
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most NBA execs would kill for a 7 foot Crawford.

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Old 05-31-2012, 08:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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And that Amir and DD for Batum trade is pretty shit.
i would do it, and then sign gordon or mayo. Amir is expendable, and DD is nothing all that special. Portland wouldn't do that though.
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i would do it, and then sign gordon or mayo. Amir is expendable, and DD is nothing all that special. Portland wouldn't do that though.
Totally agree.... Batum is so long, athletic and smooth that he could play either wing position seamlessly, while I still think DD can improve it's not a given... and Amir is a nice guy, more refined as a player than Ed but with both there is just less need for one of them.

I'm not sure Portland wouldn't do it though, it's an intriguing package for both, but generally teams trend on the side of not doing a deal and that seems to make it unlikely.
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