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Old 01-04-2014, 11:09 PM   #141 (permalink)
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I agree it is very deep. I would rather have a good roster, not tank, and draft a nice piece to add to the puzzle, opposed to tanking, missing out on a top 3 pick, and just adding another role player. IMO Wiggins, Randle, and Parker have star talents, the rest will all be good players and help teams out significantly, I would also be very afraid to draft embid early lol.
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:18 PM   #144 (permalink)
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Old 01-04-2014, 11:34 PM   #145 (permalink)
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I was being rude, so I took it out. I put a couple of mins into that post, didn't want to see it removed because I insulted him.
I personally don't care what so called "rude comment" you had directed in your post towards me as it's not going to affect me. I'll give you props though for being a man about it and from this point forward we can move on. I'll even say sorry for anything negative that I said about you in any post.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:37 AM   #146 (permalink)
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To your last point: Only a small percentage are the best player on an overachieving team with a new gm in a tough cap situation with few assets, and no real long-term plan. When you are in that position and you have a guy that might stay, but you would have to battle against any other team that might throw huge money at him, you can't just wait and hope the chips all fall in the right place. Unless you can get him to commit, one playoff appearance is not worth losing him for nothing and starting a rebuild next year.
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Lowry isn't really carrying the team right now, the team is playing incredible team basketball with everybody stepping up. As a fan putting myself in Masai's shoes, Lowry isn't my best player, he's one of my top 5 players. Overachieving...new GM...I don't think that matters...few assets...I think he has assets. No long term plan...?? I'm thinking he probably has a long term plan.

A Pacers first round pick (do they have one?) for Lowry and Fields is tanking.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:40 AM   #147 (permalink)
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I personally don't care what so called "rude comment" you had directed in your post towards me as it's not going to affect me. I'll give you props though for being a man about it and from this point forward we can move on. I'll even say sorry for anything negative that I said about you in any post.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:19 AM   #148 (permalink)
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Hey kids, grow up. Wiggins or any top draft pick won't lead us to 82-0, and our current core won't take us past the second round in an eastern conference consisting of 3 teams above 500. One side is always bringing out extremities of the other and it's really annoying to hear a bunch of people act foolish about it.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:21 AM   #149 (permalink)
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Oh, and tanking doesn't mean trade everyone for nothing for the sole purpose of losing. You can keep parts of the core and still develop players while not having a talented enough roster to win games to achieve a high draft pick. Fucking elementary.
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Lowry isn't really carrying the team right now, the team is playing incredible team basketball with everybody stepping up. As a fan putting myself in Masai's shoes, Lowry isn't my best player, he's one of my top 5 players. Overachieving...new GM...I don't think that matters...few assets...I think he has assets. No long term plan...?? I'm thinking he probably has a long term plan.

A Pacers first round pick (do they have one?) for Lowry and Fields is tanking.
Look, the team is playing great, but it's insane to think Lowry is not doing most of the work.

Since the trade, the team has an ORTG of 110.8 and a DRTG of 100.6 with Lowry on the court.

Without him on the court? 99.3 and 104.0.

That's roughly a 15 point per game swing.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:52 AM   #151 (permalink)
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Look, the team is playing great, but it's insane to think Lowry is not doing most of the work.

Since the trade, the team has an ORTG of 110.8 and a DRTG of 100.6 with Lowry on the court.

Without him on the court? 99.3 and 104.0.

That's roughly a 15 point per game swing.
Essentially you're telling me that the team is better with Kyle Lowry on the court instead of Grievis Vasquez who pretty much everybody has agreed has been playing horrible. Good argument though - insane indeed.

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Look, the team is playing great, but it's insane to think Lowry is not doing most of the work.

Since the trade, the team has an ORTG of 110.8 and a DRTG of 100.6 with Lowry on the court.

Without him on the court? 99.3 and 104.0.

That's roughly a 15 point per game swing.
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Essentially you're telling me that the team is better with Kyle Lowry on the court instead of Grievis Vasquez who pretty much everybody has agreed has been playing horrible. Good argument though - insane indeed.
Essentially you just agreed with DanH regarding KL's impact.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:42 AM   #154 (permalink)
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I'm not sure in what world that logic works - but ok
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I'm not sure in what world that logic works - but ok
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If you start from the beginning, the discussion is regarding Lowry being the best player on the Raptors; and my reply was in regards to his latest comment
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"but it's insane to think Lowry is not doing most of the work"
But you're right, DanH cleverly posted a stat that had more to do with comparing how the Raptors do with him on the court vs. Vasquez.
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If you start from the beginning, the discussion is regarding Lowry being the best player on the Raptors; and my reply was in regards to his latest comment

But you're right, DanH cleverly posted a stat that had more to do with comparing how the Raptors do with him on the court vs. Vasquez.
I did and Lowry is hands down the best player on the Raps atm. Without him our perimeter D stinks and the other parts in the machine start to falter. You just stated again KL's impact

PS - I never said that about DanH so please don't twist my post.

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If I had to hand out a 10-game MVP trophy - I would give it to Lowry, but it's been a full team effort in every sense of the word and he most definitely has not been carrying his teammates on his shoulders. He's provided solid leadership, and made clutch defensive plays and hit big shots...as has his teammates.

The Raptors don't win without Amir and Valanciunas battling in the paint the way they have. They don't beat Indi without Demar hitting the clutch shots heading down the stretch and Ross turning over PG. Lowry isn't playing hero ball, he isn't hoisting the team on his shoulders and willing them to victory. That most definitely isn't the storyline here.
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If I had to hand out a 10-game MVP trophy - I would give it to Lowry, but it's been a full team effort in every sense of the word and he most definitely has not been carrying his teammates on his shoulders. He's provided solid leadership, and made clutch defensive plays and hit big shots...as has his teammates.

The Raptors don't win without Amir and Valanciunas battling in the paint the way they have. They don't beat Indi without Demar hitting the clutch shots heading down the stretch and Ross turning over PG. Lowry isn't playing hero ball, he isn't hoisting the team on his shoulders and willing them to victory. That most definitely isn't the storyline here.
Oh I 100% agree with everything you just said though I have one caveat to it, Amir and JV and the rest don't stop hustling and fighting with or without KL - that's just who they are as players. They're just better and more effective when KL is leading them and the stats are just backing it up. I look at it like an arch, super strong but falls apart when you remove the keystone. Right now KL is the Raps keystone and he's holding up the arch.

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Oh I 100% agree with everything you just said though I have one caveat to it, Amir and JV and the rest don't stop hustling and fighting with or without KL - that's just who they are as players. They're just better and more effective when KL is leading them and the stats are just backing it up.
Or less effective with Vasquez on the court. The stat is a direct comparison between the two... but regardless, and to go back to the my original point that started this discussion, as far as building the Raptors as a team, I think Ujiri is probably proceeding with the perspective that Lowry is one of his 5 best players, not his best player.
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