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Old 01-04-2014, 04:44 PM   #81 (permalink)
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He's the reigning executive of the year, was voted the best GM in the league last year by fellow GMs.

The work he did in Denver won him the best GM award and the work he has done so far here in Toronto is making him a strong candidate to repeat.

So yes, I do believe he is the best GM in the league as of now.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I'd rather have Buford, Bird, Morey or Presti over him. What he does with Lowry will be essential.
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I agree with that 100%.

It's the "OMG WE HAVE TO TRADE EVERYONE SO WE CAN SUCK MORE AND LAND A TOP PICK!" school of thought that I have a problem with.
But you are the guy with the 'lazy mindless gm'ing' comment.....
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I'd rather have Buford, Bird, Morey or Presti over him. What he does with Lowry will be essential.
Buford is the GM of the Spurs, lets be honest he could win GM of the year every year with the way that team plays. Just a world class organization, a dynasty. What remains to be seen though is whether Buford can emulate similar success with a different team? It will be interesting to see what he does after this season when Poppovich and Duncan are gone.
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Don't have the same owners willing to spend like Cuban and as ambitious as him. We are also in an ever shrinking cap era. Cuban also had a top 10 player at his disposal, which outside of maybe JV in the future, we don't have.
Thats bullshit. MLSE already said they would and want to spend into the tax for a contender.

All teams play under the same cap levle so that doesn't matter one bit.

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Again, no one is saying that.
No but its incredibly annoying when people state that all they stated before was not about tanking and just that they wanted to "maximize assets" when they didn't even know what we had and wanted to rip it apart mindlessly and lazily.

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Buford is the GM of the Spurs, lets be honest he could win GM of the year every year with the way that team plays. Just a world class organization, a dynasty. What remains to be seen though is whether Buford can emulate similar success with a different team? It will be interesting to see what he does after this season when Poppovich and Duncan are gone.
While what you say is true, he's been able to compliment those big names ridiculously well with amazing small deal signings and draft picks - whether late first round or anywhere in the 2nd round.
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Thats bullshit. MLSE already said they would and want to spend into the tax for a contender.

All teams play under the same cap levle so that doesn't matter one bit.
They've improved now but compared to how ambitious Cuban is it's not even close.
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Buford is the GM of the Spurs, lets be honest he could win GM of the year every year with the way that team plays. Just a world class organization, a dynasty. What remains to be seen though is whether Buford can emulate similar success with a different team? It will be interesting to see what he does after this season when Poppovich and Duncan are gone.
Wrong. What remains to be seen is if he can keep the Spurs humming after it's core gets too old. Look at the roster they have. After Kawai Leonard, they're pretty thin with assets for rebuilding.
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Wrong. What remains to be seen is if he can keep the Spurs humming after it's core gets too old. Look at the roster they have. After Kawai Leonard, they're pretty thin with assets for rebuilding.
I'm pretty sure that's what he was hinting at. Splitter is decent imo.
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While what you say is true, he's been able to compliment those big names ridiculously well with amazing small deal signings and draft picks - whether late first round or anywhere in the 2nd round.
I don't know about "ridiculously well"

I mean sure he got Manu late but his drafting hasn't been that amazing to be honest.

In 2011 he picked Cory Joseph over Chandler Parsons and Jimmy Butler. Then in the same draft he picked Adam Hanga (who?) over Isiah Thomas

He also selected James Anderson (who?) over Jordan Crawford, Vasquez, and Lance Stephenson in 2010.

Just saying.
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They've improved now but compared to how ambitious Cuban is it's not even close.
Whats your point? They will spend into the tax.
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They've improved now but compared to how ambitious Cuban is it's not even close.
Cuban used to be ambitious. Ever since they won the title, he hasn't been. He gave up Chandler, gave up Terry, gave up Kidd, gave up Barea, gave up Butler and tried to replace them with sundry pieces.
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I don't know about "ridiculously well"

I mean sure he got Manu late but his drafting hasn't been that amazing to be honest.

In 2011 he picked Cory Joseph over Chandler Parsons and Jimmy Butler. Then in the same draft he picked Adam Hanga (who?) over Isiah Thomas

He also selected James Anderson (who?) over Jordan Crawford, Vasquez, and Lance Stephenson in 2010.

Just saying.
Buford had it relatively easier. He was given a V-8 engine to keep running.

Masai was given latrine duty. Masai had a much bigger challenge dropped in his lap.
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Cuban used to be ambitious. Ever since they won the title, he hasn't been. He gave up Chandler, gave up Terry, gave up Kidd, gave up Barea, gave up Butler and tried to replace them with sundry pieces.
At the time I though the same thing, but looking at it now, the Mavs are in a much better position in the Western Conference then they would have been had they resigned all those guys.

Kidd played like shit in NY and Terry played like shit in Boston and now in Brooklyn. Chandler at times is just a ghost for NY, but I agree he is one of the few that should have been resigned because Dallas have no C now as Sammy D sucks. Butler dealt with constant injury in LA and now Milwaukee. The only decent piece that he could have kept was Barea as Devin Harris has been injured the majority of the season.
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We're seeing asset maximization for the first time in 5 years, it's awesome!!

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But you are the guy with the 'lazy mindless gm'ing' comment.....
Yes... because I believe it to be true.

Trading away assets blindly without looking for the best deal, while hoping to suck so that you can land a top pick and suddenly make everything all better IS the essence of lazy GM'ing.

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I wouldn't say that....

He wanted to re-sign Kidd, but Kidd bailed on him.

He wanted Deron, but Deron bailed on him.

He wanted D12, but Howard bailed on him too.


Not sure when Cuban became so unlikeable.... Always seemed like players enjoyed playing for him before. Maybe they just hate Carlisle?
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I am starting to get pretty sick of the idea that asset maximization is being labelled (every damn time) as tanking, and therefore lazy gm'ing. If we could have this conversation without the words tanking and mediocrity we might actually get somewhere.

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yes, no question - the only question is, should we settle for that, or aim higher? Personally, I'm happy either way, after years of losing, just being a competitive team is enough. Would be nice to be a title contender, but if we have to wait for the next rebuilding cycle in 7-10 years, that wouldn't be the end of the world, provided we can be a 50 win team in the meantime.

My biggest concern is that, despite the way we played lately, we may not actually be that good. This may be due to the insecurities accumulated over the years and the transition was a little too sudden, so I fear a case of too good to be true. I'm still afraid of a collapse that comes in march, so it's too late for us to get a good pick, but bad enough to show that this is, after all, only a .500 team. Because that would be a disaster. If we suffered 5 years of pain just to be middle of the pack team, it would be pretty demoralizing.

I'm not too afraid of losing lowry because we can still give him the best terms and if we are a good team, why would he leave? He seems to be enjoying his time here.

And, if all comes to worse, we can still tank next year, the talent level may not be as deep, but the competition for tanking will not be as stiff either. And maybe we can convince wiggins to stay one more year in college


Speaking if tanking next year, by the way, Jahlil Okafor is supposedly the next Hakeem, and there might be some guys left over from this year who stayed in school, so that might be viable too.
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I wouldn't say that....

He wanted to re-sign Kidd, but Kidd bailed on him.

He wanted Deron, but Deron bailed on him.

He wanted D12, but Howard bailed on him too.


Not sure when Cuban became so unlikeable.... Always seemed like players enjoyed playing for him before. Maybe they just hate Carlisle?
But Dallas had recently won a championship when they tried to sign those guys, right? By the logic of some posters here, their winning culture should have guaranteed them two max contract players. :cookie:
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Speaking if tanking next year, by the way, Jahlil Okafor is supposedly the next Hakeem, and there might be some guys left over from this year who stayed in school, so that might be viable too.
SMH... what the fuck is wrong with you.
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But Dallas had recently won a championship when they tried to sign those guys, right? By the logic of some posters here, their winning culture should have guaranteed them two max contract players. :cookie:
Their winning culture brought enough players there to get to the Finals twice... and win once.
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