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Old 01-06-2014, 03:40 PM   #201 (permalink)
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Lowry is pretty fucking good right now, and I really doubt we can get anybody better via FA. Funny thing is how everyone bashed how BC let Bosh walk in FA, but you're willing to have Lowry go through the same risk.
What's the point in trading him now? We surely are out of the tank race and return would be late pick at the best, but if trade him this team becomes worse and we still don't get any real assets
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Old 01-06-2014, 03:56 PM   #202 (permalink)
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Again, you're going to the extremities of my side. No one asked for risk free, but I want us to be in the best position to make it the furthest. This year is fool's gold with everybody tanking.
I'm really getting tired of people saying that....

If wins are so easy to come by this season then why did we suck so badly before the Gay trade? Surely we should have won more considering the fact that we had more talent?

What's going on now... THIS is what's going to take us to the next level. The moving the ball... the attention to D.... the team-first attitudes... the bench depth... not some college kid who may or may not turn out to be an all-star someday.

This team is growing and improving RIGHT NOW... and all that isn't going to go away just because Lowry leaves the team (if he does).
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Do you see any reason why it wouldn't last? Esp. if Lowry remains for the rest of the season? Particularly with our schedule getting much more favourable from this point on? How many more games does this team have to win for you to buy in? Or is it simply the fact that you want that high pick so bad that you'll NEVER enjoy what's presently going on?.
Call me pessimistic but after seeing Bargs' 13 game stretch and his regression afterwards, I'm not so easy to put my faith in this team. I don't understand why that's so unreasonable to you people.
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Lowry is pretty fucking good right now, and I really doubt we can get anybody better via FA. Funny thing is how everyone bashed how BC let Bosh walk in FA, but you're willing to have Lowry go through the same risk.
BC was a blind fool - Bosh and Bargnani had absolutely no chemistry for multiple seasons.

Lowry is playing very well right now, but he isn't going to get anything substantial on the trade market.
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Call me pessimistic but after seeing Bargs' 13 game stretch and his regression afterwards, I'm not so easy to put my faith in this team. I don't understand why that's so unreasonable to you people.
The difference is a single player having a good stretch of games and hoping that can carry the team, versus an entire team playing the right way as team, and not dependent on a single player to carry them.
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I'm really getting tired of people saying that....

If wins are so easy to come by this season then why did we suck so badly before the Gay trade? Surely we should have won more considering the fact that we had more talent?
"Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
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I think what we're seeing now is not that the team actually improved, just that we removed a bad player in a good player's clothing, allowing us to go to a better scheme offensively and that's why we've been so successful. But that can only take you so far.

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What's going on now... THIS is what's going to take us to the next level. The moving the ball... the attention to D.... the team-first attitudes... the bench depth... not some college kid who may or may not turn out to be an all-star someday.

This team is growing and improving RIGHT NOW... and all that isn't going to go away just because Lowry leaves the team (if he does).
Lowry is playing at a great level. If he's gone, this team will sorely miss him. Who are we going to get that's better than him? If we go with Vasquez, that attention to defense is gone, and depending on if Lowry leaves via trade or free agency, our bench depth at PG might be too.

The NBA is different from any other league. A single player can make a huge impact on the court. Lowry right now, if you look at his numbers, is that player for us, and if he's gone I'm not seeing how we replace him.
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Lowry is pretty fucking good right now, and I really doubt we can get anybody better via FA. Funny thing is how everyone bashed how BC let Bosh walk in FA, but you're willing to have Lowry go through the same risk.
I believe you're forgetting those invaluable exceptions

I bashed BC for offering Bosh max, we're lucky he was fickle.
We got lucky with Nash as well.

Being unattractive has its pros

what can Lowry possibly want?
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Lowry is pretty fucking good right now, and I really doubt we can get anybody better via FA.
Isaiah Thomas and Eric Bledsoe are free agents. I dont know how much money we have to spend, but they'd be ideal replacements, as both are younger, better PGs than Lowry.
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Old 01-06-2014, 05:48 PM   #210 (permalink)
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yeah cus those three aren't a lock to get past the second round. not like they just won the championship or anything.
Well they aren't in first and aren't a lock so what's you point? Do you draw the line at 2nd then? and 2nd Round? Portland Clippers and GSW have to blow it up. No point... blow it all up.

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Lowry is pretty fucking good right now, and I really doubt we can get anybody better via FA. Funny thing is how everyone bashed how BC let Bosh walk in FA, but you're willing to have Lowry go through the same risk.
Its not the same situation. DUCY?

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Isaiah Thomas and Eric Bledsoe are free agents. I dont know how much money we have to spend, but they'd be ideal replacements, as both are younger, better PGs than Lowry.
The only issue with those 2 is both are RFA at season's end so even if we offer them a decent sized contract their respective teams can easily match are offers to them. I personally think we will end up resigning Lowry, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see Sac-town pick him up if teams start to really up the price on Thomas, as the Kings probably don't want to resign him for a major price. Plus, with Lowry and Gay being really good friends could also play a part in his possible departure. Like I said though, I think Lowry resigns with us.
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Isaiah Thomas and Eric Bledsoe are free agents. I dont know how much money we have to spend, but they'd be ideal replacements, as both are younger, better PGs than Lowry.
you really think thomas is better than lowry? Offensively, maybe, but the full package?

as for bledsoe ... good luck getting him, don't think we even have the cap space to sign him to a proper contract. He's getting top dollars this summer.
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Given all of the various factors, team needs, etc. I think the Raps have a good shot at retaining Lowry.

However, if Orlando do not get Smart or Exum they could go hard after Lowry.
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you really think thomas is better than lowry? Offensively, maybe, but the full package?

as for bledsoe ... good luck getting him, don't think we even have the cap space to sign him to a proper contract. He's getting top dollars this summer.
If we were able to unload Fields for an expiring, then lose the cap holds to Patterson, Lowry, Vasquez, and waive Salmons' 6 mil unguaranteed next year, we might have a chance.
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If we were able to unload Fields for an expiring, then lose the cap holds to Patterson, Lowry, Vasquez, and waive Salmons' 6 mil unguaranteed next year, we might have a chance.
we will no unload fields, forget about it
the only to do it is by trading lowry in a package
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we will no unload fields, forget about it
the only to do it is by trading lowry in a package
I could see Masai trading either Fields or Hayes to a team with a cap space along with a second rounder or something to get moe room to work with this summer, like what golden state did with Biedrins.
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Even though LF and Hayes make more money than Novak, Novak has money guaranteed for 2015/2016. I think MU might work to get rid of him.
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Well they aren't in first and aren't a lock so what's you point? Do you draw the line at 2nd then? and 2nd Round? Portland Clippers and GSW have to blow it up. No point... blow it all up.



Its not the same situation. DUCY?
I think you have the brain to figure out that they're coasting the regular season and that they have the best chance to win the chip in the league. for the millionth time, I never asked for a guarantee, just for the best chance.

go troll someone else.
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you really think thomas is better than lowry? Offensively, maybe, but the full package?
Yes. Thomas' defence has been bad, but it's not for a lack of effort, it's moreso Sacramentos terrible effort and team defence as a whole. I've seen him play stellar defence against the top PG's in the league, and I think he can be an effective defender because he never takes a play off.

His offence is much better than Lowrys, and what really sets him apart is his ability to score in crunchtime, as he's currently top 10 in 4th quarter points, and he was #1 in the NBA for a good chunk of the first month.

I think his pending contract would give back way more value than Lowrys because Lowry has peaked as a player, and Thomas has made huge leaps in his 2nd and 3rd year, and he's obviously a few years younger.

I would be beyond ecstatic if we were able to sign Isaiah Thomas this off season, and I think it'd be possible if the Kings were stuck in a situation where they either have to pick between signing Thomas and killing the rest of their cap space, essentially bringing back the exact same team, or letting him go and looking to pick up a few different players with the cap space. Or, in another unlikely scenario(because new ownership claims they'll go over the cap to win), they don't re-sign Thomas because they want to save luxury tax money.

Thomas would be a steal at 10 million a year.

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as for bledsoe ... good luck getting him, don't think we even have the cap space to sign him to a proper contract. He's getting top dollars this summer.
Yeah, he will likely get 12 million, or possibly the max if a team is crazy enough to test Phoenix's ownership. Sarver would shit his pants if another team offered him max money, as he's notorious for being cheap and not wanting to pay the luxury tax.
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Here is some stuff I consider just basic common fuckin' sense that should be considered but gets overlooked:

1 - We're winning on the ROAD. Winning on the road is not fools gold. The same shit was said about Golden State about 30-40 games into last season. People here (I remember Jeffb, for example) and at the global board at RealGM didn't buy that they were legit. The thing is, GS was winning on the road. It's tough to do that, no matter who your opponent is. Road wins are like the litmus test for a quality team. Watch enough sports and you learn that.

Of course, you can't play at your hottest level for a whole season; no team does. So I think we will cool off a little bit. BUT (and this is important), we are so hot right now - like Hansel hot - that even when we cool down we will be playing "45-50 win team" type ball.

2 - In terms of Lowry leaving after this season, where the fuck is he going? Hey. Have you guys thought about that? Like what team is going to gobble him up? Orlando? Utah? Charlotte? The Lakers (who already have over $33 committed to Bryant and Nash next year)?

What team is going to offer a 28 year old PG 4 years/$35-40 million? 28 is not old, to be clear. It's a great age for leading our team right now and for the next few years as we continue to catch up to elite teams.

But some of the teams with cap space are not in "win now mode". He's gonna be less appealing to them.

Where is he going guys? Why is it more attractive than staying with this team if we make the playoffs and have developed a winning culture, where he is an integral part of a winning team?

Personally, at least right now, I see the option of trading Lowry as more risky. Because you're risking blowing something that is awesome, based on a perceived, and possibly horribly ill-conceived concern that he might leave us.

3 - In my opinion, the Lowry situation should not be compared to the Bosh situation. People need to stop. Here is why.

- There was a lot of $ floating around to sign free agents the year Bosh left. Lots of risk for departure. The risk was much greater, especially with potential for stars pairing up and shit like that. There were legit reasons for fear, BC probably even knew that behind the scenes and wanted to do something, but since he wasn't allowed, he tried to keep people calm by talking about how we could give the max contract.

-Also, the team didn't have the same ability to bounce back. Bosh literally was the team. No Bosh left you with a bunch of unathletic, jump shooting euros and some role players.

That's not the case here. We have 4 other quality starters, 3 of whom are 24 or younger and will continue to get better. We also have a couple of decent young bench bigs in PP and Hansbrough. If Lowry did leave, we could probably pick up Jameer Nelson in the off-season and still make the playoffs the next year. We'd be a worse team, no doubt, and keeping Lowry would be ideal, but the fallout would be nothing like when Bosh left and Demar was a puppy. In terms of risk and consequences, I see these situations as very disimilar.

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