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Old 10-22-2012, 01:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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maybe my initial post was too harsh, but really depth isn't near as important as having one or two guys that are that much better than the rest.

Anyways i'm glad we have depth. it's nice that the bench doesn't totally suck, but a. guys like dominic mcguire, anderson are virtual nobodys and just hearing we have the best third stringer at any position at any position made me kind of chuckle. Never at any point in the history of the NBA is there going to be a third string PG showdown which will impact a game.

Anyways like i said i'm glad we have some depth, but in the end when your first team is average, i'm not sure how much a deep bench will help. Hopefully it does.
Ihear ya, but look at it this way. Anytime you can have any positive buzz, some sort of team identity that the media picks up its a good thing. If Toronto becomes known for its depth, the depth players will most certainly see more respect from officials as public and league perception is that they are somehow the elite of the leagues pin riders.

take what you can get in this circus of a league man!
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Old 10-22-2012, 01:51 PM   #22 (permalink)
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depth is huge during the regular season, not only it allows you to withstand injuries better, but you can play your starters fewer minutes and keep them more rested and therefore more productive, especially during those 4 games in 5 nights stretches. Rested players are also less likely to get injured.

it's the playoffs where the bench becomes much less important, the schedule gets light with at least 1 and usually 2 days off between games and most teams will play their best players longer minutes, so the ratio starters/bench minutes increases dramatically.

if we are to make the playoffs, the bench will be the key. I think our bench is the best in the league and will definitely be top 3 in scoring (as we will no doubt be reminded by devlin every other broadcast ...).
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:04 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Some of you are getting ahead of yourselves.

Depth may not win you titles but it can sure as hell make you MUCH, much better when you're an "up & coming" squad trying to improve.

Philly, Indy and Denver all benefitted from a "team" approach with good depth and no major stars.

If our team is THIS season's version of one of those squads I will be VERY happy.

We can worry about winning titles in a few years.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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If we can gain a team identity as Denver, Indy and Philly did, then yeah, it's all good. First things first. Let's not get ahead of ourselves indeed. If we end up with little differentiation from one option to the next, then the season will not be a success, unless it's due to everyone improving to the point where they are all potential all-stars.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:44 PM   #25 (permalink)
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There is a reason I've said that the absence of true stars makes me sad long-term.

In the short term, it all looks pretty good right now. We have depth, the quality of roster is up and we even have a pretty well-defined separation at 4 spots out of 5 between the starters and the bench players (SF being an exception), so roles shouldn't be that much of an issue.

It's the premise that such team could somehow evolve into a contender that I have a problem with. It has never been done (and no, Detroit's lonely recent title is not a proof) and, IMO, cannot be done. So, let's enjoy whatever this season brings - and I expect a marked improvement, probably including a payoffs appearance - and pray for a miracle that would land us at least one star in the near enough future. And make no mistake about it - it would take a miracle.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The author is right, our starting line-up is not going win alot of games. The bench will keep the games close and will be the competitive advantage for the team.
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Old 10-22-2012, 04:49 PM   #27 (permalink)
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this is kind of a general statement but depth gets you through the season and into the playoffs, star power gets you the championship

depth is useful for the season when you need to rest your stars, but in the playoffs you're riding your stars to the championship

just like the last time we made it to the playoffs and had an abundance of useful talent off the bench like delfino, kapono, tj/jose
but in the end nobody could step up when it counted and instead we didn't know who should be on the court because nobody stood out as better than the next
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:58 PM   #28 (permalink)
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depth is huge during the regular season, not only it allows you to withstand injuries better, but you can play your starters fewer minutes and keep them more rested and therefore more productive, especially during those 4 games in 5 nights stretches. Rested players are also less likely to get injured.

it's the playoffs where the bench becomes much less important, the schedule gets light with at least 1 and usually 2 days off between games and most teams will play their best players longer minutes, so the ratio starters/bench minutes increases dramatically.

if we are to make the playoffs, the bench will be the key. I think our bench is the best in the league and will definitely be top 3 in scoring (as we will no doubt be reminded by devlin every other broadcast ...).
Spot on...
Depth is needed to make any run for playoffs.... Won't help much once your there
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:19 PM   #29 (permalink)
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depth is amazing on a winning team, shitty on a losing team. if we're in for another long season, our depth will be what kills the moral of this team. we have too many players in and around the same skill level at multiple positions, so it'll be hard to establish those certain roles the winning teams would be able to do with relative ease.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:20 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I like the depth on our team tbh
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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depth is amazing on a winning team, shitty on a losing team. if we're in for another long season, our depth will be what kills the moral of this team. we have too many players in and around the same skill level at multiple positions, so it'll be hard to establish those certain roles the winning teams would be able to do with relative ease.
Meh, in and around the same level yes, but they all seem to have a different skillset. Starters who don't shoot well are backed up up with shooters. Derozan can't defend that well, his backups (Ross, Anderson) can defend. Lowry is a hard nosed player who can defend and play up tempo, Jose is a more finess PG that can pass and shoot as well. It just seems to me that pretty much at each position there are players that compliment each other pretty well.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:07 PM   #32 (permalink)
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meh

you're talking about rotation, not depth
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:50 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I can't believe guys are saying depth isn't that important. You guys are too brainwashed by Miami's recent championship, where their recipe of success seemed to be three star players. Let me say though that last year they lost because of their lack of depth, and this year they won because their bench caught fire. Had their bench sucked during the finals, I think they would have lost remembering that every game was actually very close.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:31 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I can't believe guys are saying depth isn't that important. You guys are too brainwashed by Miami's recent championship, where their recipe of success seemed to be three star players. Let me say though that last year they lost because of their lack of depth, and this year they won because their bench caught fire. Had their bench sucked during the finals, I think they would have lost remembering that every game was actually very close.
Brainwashed by Miami? Just out of curiosity - how old are you?

A history lesson/test: take the last 20 years. Revisit the Bulls teams that won 6. Lakers teams that won 3 + 2. Spurs teams that won 4. Were any of them particularly deep? Would you say that their success was defined more by their super-stars than by their depth?
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:53 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Brainwashed by Miami? Just out of curiosity - how old are you?

A history lesson/test: take the last 20 years. Revisit the Bulls teams that won 6. Lakers teams that won 3 + 2. Spurs teams that won 4. Were any of them particularly deep? Would you say that their success was defined more by their super-stars than by their depth?
Firstly by brainwashed, I meant that people are primed to think in such a way after just witnessing Miami win. I didn't want use such a technical term in case I would have to explain what that meant, so if you don't know what that is google it. But here's a little tidbit, priming has nothing to do with the expertise someone has on a subject but rather the recency of information.

Secondly when did I say that superstars weren't important? I stated "I can't believe guys are saying depth isn't that important.", meaning I was emphasizing it's importance, but in no way did I say it was more important than star power.

Finally the six Bulls teams that won, as I recall, only had two superstars and a bunch of other good role players that provided depth (one could argue three with rodman, I wouldn't and he wasn't there for every bulls team). The 3 peat lakers I'll give you I didn't consider a very deep team but that being said did their role players not step up to help them win those championships? As for the two peat lakers, how were they not deep? They had like 8 guys in the rotation. Spurs? I'm surprised you even brought them up, I'm not even going to get into it with them as they don't even need an argument lol. Greg Popvich takes dirt players, gives them a role and suddenly his team is deep.

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Old 10-23-2012, 04:18 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Brainwashed by Miami? Just out of curiosity - how old are you?

A history lesson/test: take the last 20 years. Revisit the Bulls teams that won 6. Lakers teams that won 3 + 2. Spurs teams that won 4. Were any of them particularly deep? Would you say that their success was defined more by their super-stars than by their depth?
Each of those teams that you mentioned had key bench players who would come into the game and hit shots for them. BIG shots.

Kerr and Kukoc and Hodges for the Bulls.

Horry and Fish for the Lakers.

SJax, Kerr, Bonner, Horry, Elie, J. Jackson


Even the teams with star power have to have some depth or else they can't go all the way.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:01 AM   #37 (permalink)
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you're talking about rotation, not depth
You need to have depth to be able to have rotation...
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:01 AM   #38 (permalink)
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If the NBA has proven anything it's that you can win without superstars (Pistons) but I don't think you can ever win without a good bench.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:04 AM   #39 (permalink)
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If the NBA has proven anything it's that you can win without superstars (Pistons) but I don't think you can ever win without a good bench.
Well said. Also, Dallas is almost in this category as they only had 1 true superstar/star.

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Old 10-23-2012, 12:50 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I guess I can't stop people from dreaming - and neither should I even try.

Please, wake me up when Toronto Raptors become a perennial contender (see, not even win it all, just legitimately contend by, say, reaching Conference Finals) without having a super-star (or, more likely, two).

Depth is important. But super-stars more so. Much more so.
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