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Old 02-23-2012, 11:49 AM   #101 (permalink)
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To the people who are saying you don't think Chandler is worth it because you have James Johnson, you're crazy. James Johnson will never have as polished offensive game as Chandler, and when a guy actually wants to come to Toronto, you're just gonna say no?

This is a joke. he would definitely flourish here. He's only 24 turning 25.
JJ is only in his 3rd season and has made GREAT strides offensively this season.... what makes you think he's peaked?

Some of this smells like the Hedo situation a bit to me... a guy looking for a big payday over anything else.

Don't get me wrong... I'm intrigued by Chandler... but I'm wary. I honestly don't know if he's going to end up being a significant upgrade over what we currently have (when you consider what we're going to pay him).
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Old 02-23-2012, 11:49 AM   #102 (permalink)
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Can't W.Chandler also SG and PF (depending on matchups obviously)?

Also, if Barbosa can't be dealt for a TPE (like the one the lakers have), then deal him to a team that can take on salary like Indiana. I was just checking Indiana's roster and they only have 13 players at the moment, and they are just below 44 million in salary this year. So, they could conceivably take on Barbosa for a conditional 2nd rounder or something. It would be a rental but a backup backcourt of G.Hill and Barbosa isn't too shabby. + they have Lance Stephenson and AJ Price too.
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JJ is only in his 3rd season and has made GREAT strides offensively this season.... what makes you think he's peaked?

Some of this smells like the Hedo situation a bit to me... a guy looking for a big payday over anything else.

Don't get me wrong... I'm intrigued by Chandler... but I'm wary. I honestly don't know if he's going to end up being a significant upgrade over what we currently have (when you consider what we're going to pay him).
Chandler played defense, on the KNICKS. He's def no Hedo, and I think Chandler is only in his 4th season. What makes you think he's peaked?

Raptors fans can't be choosers, and we're lucky that Chandler is choosing the Raps.
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JJ is only in his 3rd season and has made GREAT strides offensively this season.... what makes you think he's peaked?

Some of this smells like the Hedo situation a bit to me... a guy looking for a big payday over anything else.

Don't get me wrong... I'm intrigued by Chandler... but I'm wary. I honestly don't know if he's going to end up being a significant upgrade over what we currently have (when you consider what we're going to pay him).
I have the exact same concerns Boshman! His high end is my concern.... not sure anyone can say he's significantly better than both Kleiza and JJ going forward. He's a guy that came out of nowhere and made a big splash in NY..... I'm wary too brah!
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Chandler played defense, on the KNICKS. He's def no Hedo, and I think Chandler is only in his 4th season. What makes you think he's peaked?

Raptors fans can't be choosers, and we're lucky that Chandler is choosing the Raps.
I disagree. We CAN be choosers. We're not aiming at making a run at a title anytime soon and we have some tradeable assets and TWO rooks coming in next season.

I think that Chandler definitely has some talent... I'm just not of fan of overpaying for it. Guess it really comes down to what the contract looks like.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:10 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Chandler played defense, on the KNICKS. He's def no Hedo, and I think Chandler is only in his 4th season. What makes you think he's peaked?

Raptors fans can't be choosers, and we're lucky that Chandler is choosing the Raps.
Exactly! To say someone has peaked at 24 is crazy. Most thought Bargnani had peaked at 25, myself included. I think under Casey, Chandler would be a solid player for us.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:20 PM   #107 (permalink)
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Whatevs..He's a baller...thats all Iknow
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:30 PM   #108 (permalink)
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We need to keep tanking. Chandler will put a big dent in the tank.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:31 PM   #109 (permalink)
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And its easy to put up inflated stats on the Knicks.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:32 PM   #110 (permalink)
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One thing is for sure, he is a starting SF in the NBA. Also, I think if he does sign with the raps he will be making 8-10 million/season. Denver apparently wants to sign him long-term but that should be taken with a grain of salt due to the fact that they just handed long contracts to Gallo, Affalo and Nene. + Harrington, Birdman and Koufos are making good money too. + they will have to pay Lawson soon enough.
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Noone disputes the fact that Chandler is a good basketball player. The question is whether he is a significant enough upgrade over the players we currently have manning his position (JJ and Kleiza), considering the salary that he is likely to demand.

If our brass really likes him so much then the following has to happen, IMO:

1. Kleiza must be dealt, hopefully as part of whatever deal they'd swing for Chandler. Otherwise, too much money is going to be tied up at 3 and considering that in this coming draft the BAP at our position could also be a natural NBA SF like Barnes, the situation would only get worse.

2. Something would have to be done about the shooting guard position as we won't be able to sign either a starter to replace DeRozan or a capable backup to replace the departing Barbosa if the money is spent on Chandler. Considering how inconsistent DD has been this season, that would be a problem. That's why, if I were running the team, I wouldn't do anything with SF position at least until the draft, because unless we draft Lamb, SG becomes our position of weakness this summer.
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JJ is only in his 3rd season and has made GREAT strides offensively this season.... what makes you think he's peaked?

Some of this smells like the Hedo situation a bit to me... a guy looking for a big payday over anything else.

Don't get me wrong... I'm intrigued by Chandler... but I'm wary. I honestly don't know if he's going to end up being a significant upgrade over what we currently have (when you consider what we're going to pay him).
It's nothing like Hedo. First of all you have no idea what kind of payday he's looking for and secondly, perhaps he wants the chance to start and have an expanded role that isn't available in Denver. Lastly, Hedo was a lot older.

Sorry, but the guy is a massive upgrade over JJ. He's the same age and has a much more complete offensive game and is just as versatile and just as good a defender. And if you doubt me, go back and check out his time on the Knicks - on most nights he was the only guy playing D out there.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:42 PM   #113 (permalink)
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And its easy to put up inflated stats on the Knicks.
@21-22yrs old?

IMO he can give you 15ppg/5-6rpg if given the minutes, and he can play D.
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I present Colangelo two options:

1) Deal Barbosa to Indy for whatever (ie. a conditional 2nd rounder). Indy has under 44 million in salary and only 13 players on the roster. Indy gains depth (hill/barbosa backup backcourt). Raps get the capspace to offer W.Chandler a deal outright that Denver won't match and Denver has a lot of salary tied to Affalo, Nene, Gallo, Harrington, Birdman, Koufos and inevitably Lawson

2) Deal Barbosa+Bayless for Utah's first rounder this year and D.Harris. Raps don't have to worry about resigning JB or LB in the summer. Harris could be rejuvenated in TO possibly, raps get a 12th-16th pick in a loaded draft. Raps don't waste $ on the deep crop of free agents who love Toronto. Utah saves Harris' salary for next season. Harris has been horrific this season. Utah also most likely will receive GSW's2012 first rounder (top 7 protected).
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Do we have to trade a player for the sake of salary cap space to sign chandler. Why don't we offer the 2-4 million of space we have this year, and offer the 7 or 8 million per year for the next 3 to 4 years. Denver won't match a multi-year contract that is heavy loaded at the end of the contract.
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It's nothing like Hedo. First of all you have no idea what kind of payday he's looking for and secondly, perhaps he wants the chance to start and have an expanded role that isn't available in Denver. Lastly, Hedo was a lot older.

Sorry, but the guy is a massive upgrade over JJ. He's the same age and has a much more complete offensive game and is just as versatile and just as good a defender. And if you doubt me, go back and check out his time on the Knicks - on most nights he was the only guy playing D out there.
That's why I said "a bit"... and not "exactly".

And you know that he's a massive upgrade over JJ? How? "Massive upgrade" would be an all-star talent at the 3-spot. All due respect to Chandler, but I don't think he's that. I remember Chandler very well in NYK. He was definitely solid on both ends... but the concerns that Mike raised above are certainly valid. And I'm not convinced that he'd be as much of an upgrade as you'd suggest based on what I believe JJ is capable of (and what he's currently showing).

We'll see what happens.
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It's nothing like Hedo. First of all you have no idea what kind of payday he's looking for and secondly, perhaps he wants the chance to start and have an expanded role that isn't available in Denver. Lastly, Hedo was a lot older.

Sorry, but the guy is a massive upgrade over JJ. He's the same age and has a much more complete offensive game and is just as versatile and just as good a defender. And if you doubt me, go back and check out his time on the Knicks - on most nights he was the only guy playing D out there.
exactly. This post says it all.
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And its easy to put up inflated stats on the Knicks.
behind Amare, Felton, Gallinari?
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behind Amare, Felton, Gallinari?
Dantoni ball is all O no D. Look at Felton's numbers now that he is on Portland?
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That's why I said "a bit"... and not "exactly".

And you know that he's a massive upgrade over JJ? How? "Massive upgrade" would be an all-star talent at the 3-spot. All due respect to Chandler, but I don't think he's that. I remember Chandler very well in NYK. He was definitely solid on both ends... but the concerns that Mike raised above are certainly valid. And I'm not convinced that he'd be as much of an upgrade as you'd suggest based on what I believe JJ is capable of (and what he's currently showing).

We'll see what happens.
James Johnson is an 8/4 player while playing 32mpg. And that's with Bargnani out and DD struggling. To me defensively it's a wash, both play good D but Chandler is much better offensively.
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