moremilk

I think Denver is wrong not to sign him -in fact I think they're bluffing. They could get him for really, really cheap and unless they plan to match ANY offer coming their way next summer (given chandler will be a backup, that seems unlikely), what's the harm in letting him become UFA? Unless they don't have his bird rights, not sure what the situation is there.

carp

They don't have his bird rights if he becomes a RFA. He was traded from NY. As for becoming a UFA, they'd lose all control in bargaining. They'd be foolish to sign him for this year only. Further, it's not a guarantee that they can lock him up for super cheap... he'd need to agree too. At least as an RFA, they'd hold the right to match any offer, which is often enough to discourage other teams from making offers.

jeffb

It's obvious he's looking for 8Mil+/4-5yrs. And i don't see Denver doing that with Galo having been signed for the money he got. I would also think that Chandler knows what the Raptors are offering and i have a feeling he likes the money they're willing to pay. And if he has to wait until the summer, so be it.

Bankiz

if he waits until the summer, than maybe 10-12 teams can offer him a similar contract.

i like him, not as much as batum (younger and more talent overall), but i can see that happen :
boston give denver Allen.
boston get chandler (S&T - 8M)
boston would begin his way in the rebuilding process wih a serious sf to start.

jeffb

We better shed some salary by tomorrow or this won't happen. And we'll have to take our chances this summer. If we offer him 8-9Mil + the starting job we'd have a good chance this summer imo.

carp

It's probably better for this team to not spend that money yet. He'd only help make our win total increase..... and the same thing can be accomplished in the summer.

jeffb

DanH

Chandler will certainly be a Bird free agent for Denver, whether they sign him for the rest of the year (making him an UFA) or let him stay a RFA this summer.

Trading a player does not lose them their Bird rights. Only in a very rare case (a player signing a one year contract that would get them to Early Bird status, then being traded) loses a player their Early Bird Rights, and in that case the player can veto a trade involving them. The only way to lose your full Bird Rights is to sign with another team before you've put in 3 years with the same team. Now that Chandler has put in his 3 years (well, 4 - 3.5 with NYK, 0.5 with DEN, on the same contract), Denver has his Bird Rights until he signs a contract with another team.

And if he signs a one year contract this year (which he won't - Denver would be moronic to even offer anything at this point) Denver would retain his Bird Rights, as he still would qualify as having served a term of 3 or more years on the same team (as trades carry Bird Rights with them).

jeffb

box92

was just about to post this, but we need to trade jose or barbosa in the next couple days to get him right?

box92

MODS would it be possible to merge both the Chandler threads?

box92

MODS would it be possible to merge both the Chandler threads?

jeffb

Yep! By tomorrow night pretty much.

box92

hmm, this i really going to affect me doing my essay lol

carp

Prediction: Stefanski convinces Colangelo that bringing WC in right now is the wrong move and only reduces the value of our lottery pick.

Prediction #2: Carp is correct. Correction.... Carp is correct.

Chiggmo

I figured most of you would of realized by now, were not getting WC at all for this season, were going to get him, if at all, in the off-season

jeffb

Prediction #1: If Barbosa or anyone else can be moved for capspace, Chandler is in our lineup Friday.

Prediction #2: If BC can't clear capspace he'll wait until this summer and pay even more to get him, pissing off carp.

jeffb

It'll cost us more to wait 'til the summer.

carp

haha +1 If we pay for this guy we're overpaying. Book it!

Costing more in the offseason? What if by doing it then we also are able to work our way to a top 3 lottery spot too? Would it really cost us more in the long run?

jeffb

more competition in the summer means paying more. doing it now we could probably land him for 7-8mil? And we're not getting a top 3 draft pick this season either way.