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Old 02-27-2012, 10:33 PM   #401 (permalink)
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Signing Chandler to 10 mil a season is the very definition of mediocrity. In case if you didn't know.
he won't get that much, 7 is his market value, we may go 8 because he's RFA and we need to overpay a little to force denver to fold.
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:36 PM   #402 (permalink)
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Signing Chandler to 10 mil a season is the very definition of mediocrity. In case if you didn't know.
No it isn't. He's a solid starter in the class of players like Odom/Deng/Gerald Wallace/David West/etc. You need a couple blue chippers like that on your team to win. $10M is bit of a stretch for that kind of play, but they get in the $7-$11M range, and when the player is 24 years old and healthy it's not much of a gamble at all.

The danger is considering a player like Chandler a star and giving him max money. Then you get hamstrung with a non-star for star money, like Michael Redd/Granger/Iguodala/etc.
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No it isn't. He's a solid starter in the class of players like Odom/Deng/Gerald Wallace/David West/etc. You need a couple blue chippers like that on your team to win. $10M is bit of a stretch for that kind of play, but they get in the $7-$11M range, and when the player is 24 years old and healthy it's not much of a gamble at all.

The danger is considering a player like Chandler a star and giving him max money. Then you get hamstrung with a non-star for star money, like Michael Redd/Granger/Iguodala/etc.
WC isn't as good as any of those guys, maybe Odom now.
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WC isn't as good as any of those guys, maybe Odom now.
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and whoever posted granger isn't a star, comeon..
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Granger is not a star. He is an inefficient scorer on a team with no first option.
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Been noted that you may not amnesty during the season, only in the off season.
even worse for us, that makes a trade the only possible way to sign him after march 1st. Not as risky, but harder to do because it would have to be a trade where we get significantly less money than we send. Barbosa to the lakers would be a good one (for their tpe).
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It was noted when the letter did not arrive that Chandler and his agent were optimistic they would have the letter sometime this week, hopefully in time for March 1st. So if the parties involved have given up, either they have more information than us or negotiations hit a wall. This far away from March 1st, I expect the latter.
I know it's a 29 days month, but we're still only two days away from March 1st ... And remember, we're talking about china, I don't think their bureaucracy is known for speedy processing times ...
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Granger is not a star. He is an inefficient scorer on a team with no first option.
Exactly! Anyone who thinks Granger is a star is on crack.
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Granger is not a star. He is an inefficient scorer on a team with no first option.
he's a borderline all star, he's forced to play above his skills, but that's not his fault, At 8/per he would be fantastic value, even at 10/per it's a good contract. I think he makes something like 12/per now, which is a bit expensive, but not by much.
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I agree with everything except the Jefferson comparison. Jefferson is trash.
Now RJ is, I agree I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. However, at one point he WAS a very solid roleplayer and had a solid 7 year prime. He was a 19.5+ppg scorer 4 times.
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he's a borderline all star, he's forced to play above his skills, but that's not his fault, At 8/per he would be fantastic value, even at 10/per it's a good contract. I think he makes something like 12/per now, which is a bit expensive, but not by much.
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Now RJ is, I agree I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. However, at one point he WAS a very solid roleplayer and had a solid 7 year prime. He was a 19.5+ppg scorer 4 times.
he didn't play defense at all.
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he didn't play defense at all.
Jefferson in his prime was much more athletic and offensively capable than WC though.
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Jefferson in his prime was much more athletic and offensively capable than WC though.
yeah, but what I'm saying is that the comparison is not valid.
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I'd love to get Chandler, but not for a large contract that it seems like we'll have to offer him as a restricted FA. He's a good player, but he won't solve all our problems at the wing. I really hope BC knows something we don't, because overpaying for role players is a sure path to mediocrity. I'll wait to pass judgement either way until some moves actually happen and we know the details.
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yeah, but what I'm saying is that the comparison is not valid.
oh I agree with you.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:54 PM   #417 (permalink)
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The plan seems to be to offer WC an amount that the Nuggets will not be able to match.

What WC is worth on the open market is a different number.

The Raptors management seem to think that the first number will be less than the second number, and I think they could be right, though I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I read somewhere that if Denver doesn't sign him for the remainder of this season he'd become an UFA this summer.
Well, whoever wrote that is wrong. If Denver DOES sign him for the rest of the season on a 1 year deal, then he becomes a free agent. If not, they retain his restricted free agency rights.
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What's up with Wilson?

That's the common question from Nuggets fans heading into the rest of this NBA season — will the Nuggets lock up Wilson Chandler to a long-term deal?

The forward is a restricted free agent, but if Denver signs him for just this season, Chandler would become unrestricted this summer — and then the Nuggets could possibly lose their valuable asset for what was basically just a few-months rental. A one-year deal is out, his agent, Chris Luchey, confirmed Monday.

Chandler has until Thursday to receive an offer sheet from another team — he met with Toronto last week but hasn't been made an offer. After Thursday, the only NBA team he could play for this season is Denver.

So if Chandler doesn't sign a long-term deal with the Nuggets, he won't play in the NBA until next fall. At that point, Chandler will have either re-signed long term with Denver in the summer or ended up elsewhere.

Luchey said "we're considering all options" and that it's realistic that Chandler could sign with a professional team in Italy this spring, in order to stay in shape and make some money. Chandler played in China during the NBA lockout and returned to the States this month.

In his NBA career, the 24-year-old has averaged 13.9 points and 5.2 rebounds. He came to Denver a year ago in the Nuggets' big Carmelo Anthony trade with the Knicks.
Nuggets' situation with Wilson Chandler is complicated - The Denver Post

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the only advantage is that there will be a lot of teams with cap space this summer. And the new rules favor teams trying to steal RFAs with the short window to match. There will be a LOT of very good RFAs this season too, it will be very interesting to see what new strategies will be employed.

Say a team has 3 RFAs, each worth 10 million. You want one of them, so you make 11 million offers to the other two hoping that team will match and by the time you offer the third one, they might feel like they overspent and may let him go
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