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Old 02-27-2012, 08:09 PM   #361 (permalink)
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Why should we pay 10 million for a guy just cause he put decent numbers on the Knicks? Any Scrub can do that.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:09 PM   #362 (permalink)
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He's good at everything. Rebounding, Defense, Shot Blocking. He can also play the 1.
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He's good at everything. Rebounding, Defense, Shot Blocking. He can also play the 1.
anyone credible willing to back this up?
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:12 PM   #364 (permalink)
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Eric Gordon type player. Better suited for that type of situation than Lamb I'd say.

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Good lord. First of all where the hell are you getting the number of 10 Million? Second of all, the guy is 24yrs old, plays D and can shoot the ball and can even create for himself and he doesn't constantly need the ball in his hands. If he can play D at 22yrs old in a D'Antoni system think of what he could be like here under Casey. I think he'd be a great fit here and our depth at SF would be set for years with him and JJ.
he'd almost certainly be payed 10 million at one point or another in a multi year contract which denver doesn't match. sign him for the 7-8 million people are calling for here, he'd be at 10 million by his 3rd or fourth season.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:14 PM   #365 (permalink)
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he'd almost certainly be payed 10 million at one point or another in a multi year contract which denver doesn't match. sign him for the 7-8 million people are calling for here, he'd be at 10 million by his 3rd or fourth season.
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yes but the fact of the matter is not that WC is better than barbo, but that he isn't worth 8-10 million, especially in the new CBA. Barbo is not worth 7.x million right now. I'd say closer to 4. I don't think WC is twice as good as barbo, do you?

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anyone credible willing to back this up?
Not sure how credible I am, but I do.

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Old 02-27-2012, 08:44 PM   #367 (permalink)
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Guys like Martell Webster got over 5m, Mbah a Moute is making 5m, Trevor Ariza who has put up numbers no where near Chandlers is slated to make over 7m, Thaddeus Young's new contract pays him between 8-9m

Chandler 8ish Million is hardly overpaying in relation to market value.
He is also 24, the same age as Amir Johnson who we have no problem considering part of our young core and making nearly 6Mil, and will eventually make nearly 7Mil.

If the purpose of cap flexibility is to add talent, then Wilson Chandler certainly qualifies.
He instantly becomes our best wing by miles, and arguably our second best offensive option and we get to add him without giving up any significant assets in the process. And he actually doesn't dislike the idea of coming here.

Two weeks ago we would have been happy to move Barbosa for another expiring and a first....

Now we are in a situation where we may be moving Barbosa to add Wilson Chandler. We as a fanbase seem to be obsessed with clearing capspace for the sake of clearing capspace. Who does anyone think we're getting this summer that would be better?

Realistically speaking of course.

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Breaking news: Agent Chris Luchey told me that Wilson Chandler is in serious talks with an Italian team to seal a deal for rest of season

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So it looks like Wilson may stay overseas for the rest of this season....

Hmm
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:50 PM   #370 (permalink)
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Doesn't he then become a UFA this summer?


Let the bidding begin.

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Old 02-27-2012, 08:50 PM   #371 (permalink)
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i meant IF we sign him for that much. I still hold my opinion that he isn't worth the ten, and is closer to say, 6 (average salary over the contract term). I was just pointing out to jeff that he would be making ten million at one point if we were to sign him for the amounts called for by OTHERS, yourself among them.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:52 PM   #372 (permalink)
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Guys like Martell Webster got over 5m, Mbah a Moute is making 5m, Trevor Ariza who has put up numbers no where near Chandlers is slated to make over 7m, Thaddeus Young's new contract pays him between 8-9m

Chandler 8ish Million is hardly overpaying in relation to market value.
He is also 24, the same age as Amir Johnson who we have no problem considering part of our young core and making nearly 6Mil, and will eventually make nearly 7Mil.

If the purpose of cap flexibility is to add talent, then Wilson Chandler certainly qualifies.
He instantly becomes our best wing by miles, and arguably our second best offensive option and we get to add him without giving up any significant assets in the process. And he actually doesn't dislike the idea of coming here.

Two weeks ago we would have been happy to move Barbosa for another expiring and a first....

Now we are in a situation where we may be moving Barbosa to add Wilson Chandler. We as a fanbase seem to be obsessed with clearing capspace for the sake of clearing capspace. Who does anyone think we're getting this summer that would be better?

Realistically speaking of course.
then the question becomes why MUST we sign someone this year/summer? with two picks coming in, we have enough talent coming in, why not save the capspace for a more talented FA class like next years? when we have more of a chance to sign them considering we'd have been in the playoffs, barring Bargnani doesn't get injured.
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Old 02-27-2012, 08:52 PM   #373 (permalink)
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cap space doesn't mean shit cus NOT MANY PLAYERS WANT TO COME TO PLAY IN TORONTO.
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Guys like Martell Webster got over 5m, Mbah a Moute is making 5m, Trevor Ariza who has put up numbers no where near Chandlers is slated to make over 7m, Thaddeus Young's new contract pays him between 8-9m

Chandler 8ish Million is hardly overpaying in relation to market value.
He is also 24, the same age as Amir Johnson who we have no problem considering part of our young core and making nearly 6Mil, and will eventually make nearly 7Mil.

If the purpose of cap flexibility is to add talent, then Wilson Chandler certainly qualifies.
He instantly becomes our best wing by miles, and arguably our second best offensive option and we get to add him without giving up any significant assets in the process. And he actually doesn't dislike the idea of coming here.

Two weeks ago we would have been happy to move Barbosa for another expiring and a first....

Now we are in a situation where we may be moving Barbosa to add Wilson Chandler. We as a fanbase seem to be obsessed with clearing capspace for the sake of clearing capspace. Who does anyone think we're getting this summer that would be better?

Realistically speaking of course.
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edit - now that i know the truth, i can only say i agree with everything you just plagiarized.

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Guys like Martell Webster got over 5m, Mbah a Moute is making 5m, Trevor Ariza who has put up numbers no where near Chandlers is slated to make over 7m, Thaddeus Young's new contract pays him between 8-9m

Chandler 8ish Million is hardly overpaying in relation to market value.
He is also 24, the same age as Amir Johnson who we have no problem considering part of our young core and making nearly 6Mil, and will eventually make nearly 7Mil.

If the purpose of cap flexibility is to add talent, then Wilson Chandler certainly qualifies.
He instantly becomes our best wing by miles, and arguably our second best offensive option and we get to add him without giving up any significant assets in the process. And he actually doesn't dislike the idea of coming here.

Two weeks ago we would have been happy to move Barbosa for another expiring and a first....

Now we are in a situation where we may be moving Barbosa to add Wilson Chandler. We as a fanbase seem to be obsessed with clearing capspace for the sake of clearing capspace. Who does anyone think we're getting this summer that would be better?

Realistically speaking of course.


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I think we lack a little bit of perspective;

Capspace is useful on the basis that someone wants it; and while the argument can be made that capspace is useful because it allows us to absorb salary clearly missed last season where the means to absorb 14.5 million dollars in salary didn't net us a whole heck of a lot.

We as a fanbase seem to be obsessed with clearing capspace for the sake of clearing capspace.
Was there really a moment before Westbrook signed where we thought we had a chance in hell this summer to sign him?

This idea of a "value" signing doesn't exist.

Guys like Martell Webster got over 5m, Mbah a Moute is making 5m, Trevor Ariza who has put up numbers no where near Chandlers is slated to make over 7m, Thaddeus Young's new contract pays him between 8-9m

Chandler at 7 or 8 is hardly overpaying in relation to market value;
He is also 24, the same age as Amir Johnson who we have no problem considering part of our young core.

If the purpose of cap flexibility is to add talent, then Wilson Chandler certainly qualifies.
He instantly becomes our best defensive wing by miles, and arguably our second best offensive option and we get to add him without giving up any significant assets in the process.

Two weeks ago we would have been happy to move Barbosa for another expiring and a first;
Now we are in a situation where we may be moving Barbosa to add Wilson Chandler.

The goal was always to find our franchise player in the draft; adding WC at this point isnt going to change much in terms of our tanking which still allows us to get some honest to goodness talent at the top end of the draft and deal with positional conflicts later.
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Sorry jeff, couldn't resist.

But the gist of the post that you pointed out makes some good points. A lot of players today that are as good if not arguably worse than Chandler have gotten some pretty hefty contracts of late. It's definitely not out of the question to think Chandler would garner an 8 mill. contract.

On another note, I'd stay as far away from Westbrook as possible. Ew.

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I plagiarized that from Jeff, just so he doesn't feel marginalized.
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well, that makes sense then. i thought the sky was falling. in reality, jeff is just stealing ideas from realgm again. what's new? and here i thought we had progress...
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Old 02-27-2012, 09:04 PM   #378 (permalink)
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Sorry, you don't break the bank for role players. You end up with contracts that are hard to get rid of and in no mans land.

Not good enough to get a top pick and not good enough to win anything in the playoffs.
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who said chandler is a role player? Hes a good TWO way player in this league and would be a good offensive option, he played fine behind Amare as a second option
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Sorry, you don't break the bank for role players. You end up with contracts that are hard to get rid of and in no mans land.

Not good enough to get a top pick and not good enough to win anything in the playoffs.
Good thing he's not a role player. He would be the clear cut starter and put our current starting SF in a position he should be in....a role player. And on what planet do you live on where 8Mil in the NBA breaks any bank?
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