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Old 02-27-2012, 05:54 PM   #321 (permalink)
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I said he was younger, not by a specific amount of time.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:57 PM   #322 (permalink)
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Chandler is a better overall player than JJ. JJ is a defensive force, but he brings a George Lynch type of game to the floor with some shot blocking. He's a glue guy. With Casey as coach, Chandler can improve defensively, and would bring an offensive threat to the team at SF position which JJ does not bring. Its about improving the talent level of the team, and Chandler would automatically become the best small forward on the Raptors.
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Old 02-27-2012, 05:58 PM   #323 (permalink)
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Sure trade Barbosa... and don't come crying when your bench stops producing
Barbosa is good player and great teammate

topic makes it sound like we are giving him away for a second rounder
We already have two SF/PF like Wilson, one defensive one offensive. Not to mention three PFs.

Logjam extraordinaire

And he is not a star, not even a 2nd tier.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #324 (permalink)
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Sure trade Barbosa... and don't come crying when your bench stops producing
Barbosa is good player and great teammate

topic makes it sound like we are giving him away for a second rounder
We already have two SF/PF like Wilson, one defensive one offensive. Not to mention three PFs.

Logjam extraordinaire

And he is not a star, not even a 2nd tier.
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JJ has also shown that he is increasingly getting to the rim and scoring in the paint, his offense is improving.... and Kleiza is showing improvement too. Chandler is good, but not necessarily better than either. As a SG, maybe.... but still not worth 10M per.
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:42 PM   #325 (permalink)
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Duh people, with Chandler our team would be deeper. We dont need Barbosa, sure he produces off the bench, but for what, a losing team. We are rebuiding makes no sense to keep him when he can be more useful for a team thats plyoff bound.

Jj would make a solid backup, and Kleiza can play the 3 and 4 positions effectively, I wouldn't mind this trade one bit.

Baylis can be our new barbosa, that's his strength, coming in and being aggressive
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:45 PM   #326 (permalink)
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Duh people, with Chandler our team would be deeper. We dont need Barbosa, sure he produces off the bench, but for what, a losing team. We are rebuiding makes no sense to keep him when he can be more useful for a team thats plyoff bound.Jj would make a solid backup, and Kleiza can play the 3 and 4 positions effectively, I wouldn't mind this trade one bit.

Baylis can be our new barbosa, that's his strength, coming in and being aggressive
This contradicts logic.

And bayless isn't as good as Barbosa... truth hurts.
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Bayless is not as good as Barbosa, no doubt about that. I also think that Chandler is more well-rounded than Johnson. The main difference between the two is that Chandler has better BB IQ, but Johnson hustles and has length and athleticism. I personally find Johnson a bit frustrating to watch, but he also surprises me occasionally with a great play.

Also, Barbosa is my least favourite player on the team. Probably by a long shot.

However, as much as I would like to see the Raptors sign Chandler, I'd greatly prefer it as a straight-up-signing or a move of a different player (I'm not even sure who). I think Barbosa should be paired with something or someone else to get something more substantial than Chandler. Maybe I'm in a fantasy world, and that opportunity simply isn't out there, but it's what I'd prefer.
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Old 02-27-2012, 07:38 PM   #328 (permalink)
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the whole point of this signing is to upgrade our roster. If people are saying that Barbosa is a better fit on this team than Wilson Chandler then I have no idea who they want. Do people really think even Batum is realistic?
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the whole point of this signing is to upgrade our roster. If people are saying that Barbosa is a better fit on this team than Wilson Chandler then I have no idea who they want. Do people really think even Batum is realistic?
I don't think the point is that barbosa is better than WC... there are several points... one, WC isn't a stud and overpaying is not good. two, Barbosa shouldn't just be given away ahead of other bums. three, it's important to not just sign the first guy we can in a rebuild and does WC make us that much better?
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Thank you carp. I didn't explain myself well.

I like Chandler over Barbosa. Quite a bit, actually. However, it's not clear to me that swapping Barbosa for Chandler is a significant enough move over the long-term. I worry that Chandler might be an average or slightly above-average starter, which means that now Valanciunas and/or an unknown PG will need to play the star role.

What would be better is if they signed Chandler, then move Barbosa for a different asset.

I should say that I also have been leaning towards the off-season for signing Chandler, if at all. I would like to see where the Raptors land in the lottery and what the team's options are in the summer instead of blowing more cap space on Chandler. I also think Barbosa is a valuable troop in the tank.
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I don't think the point is that barbosa is better than WC... there are several points... one, WC isn't a stud and overpaying is not good. two, Barbosa shouldn't just be given away ahead of other bums. three, it's important to not just sign the first guy we can in a rebuild and does WC make us that much better?
over paying? let's be realistic, you're not getting anybody with half a name out there without overpaying via free agency. even Turk had to be paid 10m for him to come with us. who's to say he won't be worth the 8-10m he'd make? he looks like a player and he is definitely worth that money more than Barbosa is.

yeah we have the choice right? considering about a quarter of the roster was brought in as 1 year contracts to tank and fill roster spots.

we're not talking about anybody dude, Wilson Chandler is a solid starter in this league that plays on both sides of the court.
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btw, no knock on Barbosa as I do like him as a player.
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over paying? let's be realistic, you're not getting anybody with half a name out there without overpaying via free agency. even Turk had to be paid 10m for him to come with us. who's to say he won't be worth the 8-10m he'd make? he looks like a player and he is definitely worth that money more than Barbosa is.

yeah we have the choice right? considering about a quarter of the roster was brought in as 1 year contracts to tank and fill roster spots.

we're not talking about anybody dude, Wilson Chandler is a solid starter in this league that plays on both sides of the court.
yes but the fact of the matter is not that WC is better than barbo, but that he isn't worth 8-10 million, especially in the new CBA. Barbo is not worth 7.x million right now. I'd say closer to 4. I don't think WC is twice as good as barbo, do you?
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but that he isn't worth 8-10 million, especially in the new CBA.
he'll get at least 7-8Mil somwhere else. And.....in this CBA? Really? People are still going to overpay.
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yes but the fact of the matter is not that WC is better than barbo, but that he isn't worth 8-10 million, especially in the new CBA. Barbo is not worth 7.x million right now. I'd say closer to 4. I don't think WC is twice as good as barbo, do you?
once again, let's be realistic. You offer WC 4 million, Denver matches it.
You offer Barbo 4m this offseason, he walks.

be realistic, son.
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Some of us think WC is an ok starter in this league while others think he makes us a playoff contender.
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Some of us think WC is an ok starter in this league while others think he makes us a playoff contender.
relax, who thinks he'd make the Raptors a contender?

he definitely would be a piece in the right direction.
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Some of us think WC is an ok starter in this league while others think he makes us a playoff contender.
Put Bargnani in this lineup all season and we're probably playoff contenders. Add WC we certainly are. Especially with Valanciunas coming and probably added depth in the offseason.

have you looked at the EC?
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Put Bargnani in this lineup all season and we're probably playoff contenders. Add WC we certainly are. Especially with Valanciunas coming and probably added depth in the offseason.

have you looked at the EC?
if the goal is playoffs, fine.... if the goal is to compete in the playoffs, meh.
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if the goal is playoffs, fine.... if the goal is to compete in the playoffs, meh.
If that's our only move then maybe you have a point but he won't be. Who do you see us getting realistically that's better than Chandler? And we have to start adding talent. Let's face it we're not signing stars anytime soon. We have to start upgrading the talent and he'd be a good start.
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