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Old 02-23-2012, 08:35 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:35 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Chandler can play SG, I don't see why he wouldn't with Toronto.

He still starts at SF, but with LK and JJ on the roster Chandler should see minutes at SG when DD isn't on the floor.

He's definitely a better option there than Bayless.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:45 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Chandler can play SG, I don't see why he wouldn't with Toronto.

He still starts at SF, but with LK and JJ on the roster Chandler should see minutes at SG when DD isn't on the floor.

He's definitely a better option there than Bayless.
some people think chandler is a better option than demar at the sg spot.
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Old 02-23-2012, 08:49 PM   #185 (permalink)
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some people think chandler is a better option than demar at the sg spot.
No doubt.

Calderon/Chandler/JJ isn't much of a drop off from Calderon/DD/Chandler.

After considering how the rotations are affected I'm much more positive about signing Chandler and moving Barbosa.
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I like the Barbosa to LA idea, I think both teams would win in that scenario, they get a back-up SG(Their only other sg other then Kobe, right?)/PG, assuming we get Chandler.. Could LA make that trade?
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:09 PM   #187 (permalink)
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Restricted free agent Wilson Chandler visits Toronto Raptors - Sam Amick - SI.com
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Actually, Kleiza being moved is another option - LAL need a PG or SF more than a SG, so they may be more interested in Kleiza rather than Barbosa. And taking Kleiza's deal off the books would give the Raps over 8.9 million to offer (as a starting salary, after they waive all their holds). This amounts to a 4 year, $38 million contract. I would think that would be enough. And it removes the glut at SF (and some of the PF logjam) resulting from the Chandler pickup.
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Old 02-23-2012, 09:40 PM   #189 (permalink)
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Well, it's definitely not like Colangelo just realized Chandler might be available and what his team's cap situation is. GM's talk all the time, so there might be one or 2 alternatives already in place contingent on their chances of signing him.
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Chandler is a nice swingman. He'll chip in 15 points, 5 rebounds, a few assists. But is he really the game changer we want and need?

He was successful on a pretty bad Knicks team and it looks like he reached his ceiling. He had his chance in Denver after the trade to step up and be the go-to guy, as the team was filled with a bunch of very (talent level-wise) similar role players, and he didn't deliver.

Now, I'm all for strengthening the SF spot. But is he really an upgrade over the Kleiza/JJ situation we have now? Personally, I don't think so - I'm sure some will disagree. When you consider this off-season will be weak on SFs, somebody will overpay for Chandler - a restricted free agent. Aren't we better off looking to see how JJ (who still has a ton of upside, and whose real impediment is the jump shot) and Kleiza (who has proven to be effective when healthy) work out until we can get that really special player?

If we are committing to development, that's great. If we can get a great wing player through the draft/FA/trade, that's great too. But Chandler doesn't fit in either scheme. He's nether talented enough to develop into a great player, nor good enough to abandon our plans for the younger guys. If he can be gotten for cheap, I'm all in. I just don't see him being the guy to solve our problems.
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Chandler is a nice swingman. He'll chip in 15 points, 5 rebounds, a few assists. But is he really the game changer we want and need?

He was successful on a pretty bad Knicks team and it looks like he reached his ceiling. He had his chance in Denver after the trade to step up and be the go-to guy, as the team was filled with a bunch of very (talent level-wise) similar role players, and he didn't deliver.

Now, I'm all for strengthening the SF spot. But is he really an upgrade over the Kleiza/JJ situation we have now? Personally, I don't think so - I'm sure some will disagree. When you consider this off-season will be weak on SFs, somebody will overpay for Chandler - a restricted free agent. Aren't we better off looking to see how JJ (who still has a ton of upside, and whose real impediment is the jump shot) and Kleiza (who has proven to be effective when healthy) work out until we can get that really special player?

If we are committing to development, that's great. If we can get a great wing player through the draft/FA/trade, that's great too. But Chandler doesn't fit in either scheme. He's nether talented enough to develop into a great player, nor good enough to abandon our plans for the younger guys. If he can be gotten for cheap, I'm all in. I just don't see him being the guy to solve our problems.
game changers are usually max type players. and that isn't happening. he's an upgrade, young, and seems to be the type of player that could thrive in this system under casey. he'd be a great piece to add........besides, in the second year of a re-build you're not going to get game changers. aquiring talent is the goal right now.
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Well, it's definitely not like Colangelo just realized Chandler might be available and what his team's cap situation is. GM's talk all the time, so there might be one or 2 alternatives already in place contingent on their chances of signing him.
why woo him and have him meet the players if he didn't?
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why woo him and have him meet the players if he didn't?
I heard they sent JJ and Kleiza on a pizza run during that team meet-up.
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I heard they sent JJ and Kleiza on a pizza run during that team meet-up.
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game changers are usually max type players. and that isn't happening. he's an upgrade, young, and seems to be the type of player that could thrive in this system under casey. he'd be a great piece to add........besides, in the second year of a re-build you're not going to get game changers. aquiring talent is the goal right now.
Good points, but for how much we'd have to pay for him, it seems better to save the money. People here are saying $8-12 mil/year - that's about the same as we pay Jose and Bargs who, IMO, are both much better players than Chandler is.

I'd prefer to draft a SF/PG, get a better team on the floor next year (with Bargs back/Jonas/pick), and see what our options are then. I think it makes more sense to wait and really fix the problem - either through the draft or a trade - than try to patch it up with a guy who is a good role player. Maybe Jonas/Bargs will be unstoppable next year and having a player that's slightly more talented than our current SFs will be enough to be competitive/win a few games in the playoffs. But I'm skeptical, and I think we need the game changer. I'd rather wait and improve our team by a lot than overpay and improve by a little.

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Good points, but for how much we'd have to pay for him, it seems better to save the money. People here are saying $8-12 mil/year - that's about the same as we pay Jose and Bargs who, IMO, are both much better players than Chandler is.

I'd prefer to draft a SF/PG, get a better team on the floor next year (with Bargs back/Jonas/pick), and see what our options are then. I think it makes more sense to wait and really fix the problem - either through the draft or a trade - than try to patch it up with a guy who is a good role player. Maybe Jonas/Bargs will be unstoppable next year and having a player that's slightly more talented than our current SFs will be enough to be competitive/win a few games in the playoffs. But I'm skeptical, and I think we need the game changer. I'd rather wait and improve our team by a lot than overpay and improve by a little.

What game changer do you think we're going to get a year or two from now? Do we basically stay still and hope Valanciunas and our draft pick next season have immediate impacts......and what "game changers will come here if they don't become those impactful type players quickly? The draft is a crap shoot and if it doesn't pan out as planned who do you think we're getting? When re-building you need to improve gradually, aquire young talent, aquire assets some of which can be flipped down the road to continue to add talent and that's maybe when you get a game changer.

IMO Valanciunas (20yrs old), Bargnani (26yrs old), Chandler (25yrs old), Derozan (22yrs old), JJ (26yrs old), Amir (23yrs old), Davis (22yrs old) + MKG, Barnes, Lamb????? that is an impressive core of young players and we'd still have some capspace the next couple seasons.
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ye, you know BC is going to try to get into the playoffs next year
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Old 02-23-2012, 10:18 PM   #198 (permalink)
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What game changer do you think we're going to get a year or two from now?
I'm not talking about a Kobe/Dirk/MJ who will suddenly appear and be traded to the Raps, but a solid, offense-oriented SG/SF who can do well in an iso situation and hit a clutch shot - Steph Curry, Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson. We have serious problems scoring from the wing position, and these guys will help. With better team D, their defensive problems will be hidden enough that we can have a good, competitive team with the guy who can take over games when needed.

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Do we basically stay still and hope Valanciunas and our draft pick next season have immediate impacts......and what "game changers will come here if they don't become those impactful type players quickly? The draft is a crap shoot and if it doesn't pan out as planned who do you think we're getting?
Well, if both Val and this year's pick are busts, we're screwed - no doubt about that. It would mean that the two years of rebuilding had gone to waste and the end of BC's tenure here, so it's hard to predict what happens then. But it seems unlikely that BC (who has a good draft record) will miss twice with two high picks. That they both become superstars is also far fetched. But if one/both can be solid staring-caliber role players, we'll have a decent squad on our hands that will be that one key player away from being a top team in the East, and this is what I'm assuming will happen when I talk about the future.

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When re-building you need to improve gradually, aquire young talent, aquire assets some of which can be flipped down the road to continue to add talent and that's maybe when you get a game changer.

IMO Valanciunas (20yrs old), Bargnani (26yrs old), Chandler (25yrs old), Derozan (22yrs old), JJ (26yrs old), Amir (23yrs old), Davis (22yrs old) + MKG, Barnes, Lamb????? that is an impressive core of young players and we'd still have some capspace the next couple seasons.
You're right about acquiring assets and potentially flipping them down the road, and Chandler is great for that - but, again, at what price? It's unsustainable to overpay for good (but not great) players and expect that we'll somehow land a star outside the draft, either.

And IMO, that core of young players looks only a little less bright without Chandler, especially when we have Kleiza who can potentially provide some of the same services (namely, scoring).
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That list of "game changers" doesn't look that promising. Heck, if those chuckers are game changers, we already have a upcoming one in bargs. If we're ever going to compete, we're going to need to pick up young defensive minded players to go with caseys system of team ball. Role players like chandler would benefit us a lot more than iso players like barbosa.
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