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Acie 09-25-2011 11:27 AM

Will the Raps fully recover from a potential season ending strike?
 
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Toronto has never truly recovered from the baseball strike of 1994. It makes me wonder, how sports fans will react to a season without the NBA in Toronto? Will it alter the Raptors future the way it has altered everything that is Blue Jays?
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Blaze 09-25-2011 11:50 AM

We have no where to go but up so i doubt it'll do anything

Claudius 09-25-2011 06:57 PM

I've been wondering about this for quite some time. I think if baseball had emerged with a better system (salary cap) then maybe, it would've showed the fans it was worth something. It would've saved the Expos, it would've controlled the Yankees. Instead, what we saw here was that we lost a year for nothing and we got worst.

If, people see the same thing here (losing a season for nothing), then I could eventually see a lot of cynicism setting in (I kinda feel like I'm there already). If a newer system (i.e. doesn't level the playing field, allows us to be more competitive etc...) comes in, then I think we'll be fine. If not and we come out struggling and other teams (Leafs and Blue Jays) grab the headlines in this city, then I'll be a little concerned, in just term of capturing peoples attention.

And I know, the counter argument will be, well basketball is growing in popularity, it's being played by young people etc. However, do all these young people in the GTA cheer for the Raptors? What's their level of disposable income? Will they be able to purchase season ticket packages in the future? merchandise? What's the corporate interest in the boxes? etc. A lot of questions.

Aamir 09-25-2011 10:18 PM

Weren't the Blue Jays' players past their prime anyway after the strike? I don't remember...

The Raptors have young talent, are moving in the right direction and have a very bright future.

Casey coaching change; fresh off championship, defensive expert

5th overall pick Val coming in a few years; some say best big man prospect out of draft, possibly best player in entire draft

DeMar turning into Kobe and emerging as a leader before our eyes (you'll see)

Ed Davis starting PF for years to come, I think probable all-star in his prime, or at the least double-double man

Young exciting and hardworking Young Gunz in Amir, James and Bayless. Maybe Sonny and Alabi?

Another high lottery pick for next off-season

Raptor fans shouldn't have a worry. It's not like they're the only team missing out on game-time, the whole league is.

Carlito 09-26-2011 07:23 AM

I was one of those people that never missed a game (either on radio or TV) from Jays first game to the strike .. even had 6 seats behind home plate. Since the strike I never watched another full game of baseball ... my main beef is that they went on strike and came back with no resolution. I also learned that no baseball, meant more free time for other more important life distractions .. girls .. Baseball was also a sport I played when I was a kid, but the passion didn't compare to Basketball where I played thru highschool, university, and then mens leagues ..

The Raptors have never captured the heart of the corporate canada like baseball did and thus I don't think this strike will hurt the raps. Basketball has a totally different fan base and thus will have minimal impact. I for one will continue to fallow the raps .. bau

LX 09-26-2011 08:54 AM

There could be a realization that all the promises of evening the playing field for every franchise big or small wasn't all that big of an emphasis, and that the whole exercise was just about getting a bigger piece of the pie. I'm already pretty disenchanted by corporate interests being raised above a respect for the game and a real desire to make it better. If that trend is just further solidified, then it's not going to cause me to stop being a fan, not immediately anyway, but it will make me less and less of a fan. Would that mean a loss to a franchise like the Raptors? Probably not.

jeffb 09-26-2011 09:57 AM

I doubt that much would change to be honest. Especially considering the team should be much improved the next couple seasons with Jonas + 2012 pick and cap space.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 09-27-2011 12:22 AM

No doubt many people leave and never come back if the season is cancelled. But with a smaller fan base, smaller arena (not 55k seats) and a sport that isn't something that induces a nap, they can recover.

Unlike baseball, playing field should be flatter after this and less soft cap stuff.

jeffb 09-27-2011 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabbadu (Post 572935)
No doubt many people leave and never come back if the season is cancelled. But with a smaller fan base, smaller arena (not 55k seats) and a sport that isn't something that induces a nap, they can recover.

Unlike baseball, playing field should be flatter after this and less soft cap stuff.

No doubt?

ValanciunasFanboy 09-27-2011 09:07 AM

i just don't see how basketball could be at risk in Toronto.
big city, promising team, a country that's still kind off getting exposed to basketball and just had a superstar (Nash) which usually means a boom in popularity among younger generation, natural rivalries with good teams in the Lakes regions.
to me, the fanbase can only go up.

idk what happened with baseball as i don't care about baseball.
i suppose baseball will have harder time anywhere with it being almost purely American sport right now and lacking any national rivalries. kind of like NFL. not to mention the uneven field among teams.
but that's just a guess from someone who's mostly ignorant about that sport.

i don't see how NBA could fail in Toronto though, lockout or no lockout.

jeffb 09-27-2011 10:28 AM

I think comparing the Raptors to the Jays is silly. After the strike their attendance was fine, it dipped a little because the team stunk and they traded away Alomar and others. The attendance didn't really nose dive until after Clemens went to NY. Ever since then, the Blue Jays haven't had a snowball's chance in hell of making the playoffs mainly b/c of the division they play in. Put that playoff structure in any sport and good luck with attendance.

XiaominWu 09-27-2011 11:29 AM

jeff - if raps post-lockout attendance drops by 3000 per game, will you say that it "dipped a little"?

StartingBench 09-27-2011 11:40 AM

I was a big Jays fan up until the strike. When the strike happened I started watching basketball. And at that point I realized something, Baseball is really really boring. It's like watching a game of chess, it's a lot of fun to play, but unless you're a hardcore fan, it isn't much fun to watch.

Basketball is a sport that almost anyone can watch and have fun.

The strike will effect the Raptors a bit, but I doubt anywhere near as much as the Jays were affected.

XiaominWu 09-27-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by StartingBench (Post 572975)
Basketball is a sport that almost anyone can watch and have fun.

disagree strongly. you have to really have a rooting interest to find a basketball game compelling. if you step back and just look at what is going on, it can be horrifically boring..... particularly the NBA version.

now - in fairness, there are very few sports where the spectacle itself can compel viewing interest.

jeffb 09-27-2011 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XiaominWu (Post 572971)
jeff - if raps post-lockout attendance drops by 3000 per game, will you say that it "dipped a little"?

No, a 3000 drop for a 190,000 seat arena is quite a bit. But again.... The Raps and Jays are not comparable imo. The Jays don't get a sniff at a playoff spot and that's why their attendence really dropped, especially around 1999. That and they dropped thei payroll by 30mil and everyone on the planet knew they weren't going to make the playoffs.

jeffb 09-27-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XiaominWu (Post 572976)
disagree strongly. you have to really have a rooting interest to find a basketball game compelling. if you step back and just look at what is going on, it can be horrifically boring..... particularly the NBA version.

now - in fairness, there are very few sports where the spectacle itself can compel viewing interest.

Yeah, that goes for every sport. I find football and soccer mind numbingly boring. There isn't one sport that isn't at least at times boring. I love baseball but I understand why the interest in the sport has dropped among younger viewers.

BTW, Horrifically boring? Lol

Acie 09-27-2011 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 572978)
No, a 3000 drop for a 190,000 seat arena is quite a bit. But again.... The Raps and Jays are not comparable imo. The Jays don't get a sniff at a playoff spot and that's why their attendence really dropped, especially around 1999. That and they dropped thei payroll by 30mil and everyone on the planet knew they weren't going to make the playoffs.

jeff, there is no such thing as a 190,000 seat arena/stadium.

The biggest stadium for pro sports in North America holds 83,000.

3000 less in a stadium that big is like a grain of sand from the beach compared to a 19,000 seat venue losing that many.

jeffb 09-27-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 572982)
jeff, there is no such thing as a 190,000 seat arena/stadium.

The biggest stadium for pro sports in North America holds 83,000.

3000 less in a stadium that big is like a grain of sand from the beach compared to a 19,000 seat venue losing that many.

Ha, I meant 19,000. Lol

That's why I said 3000 seats is quite a bit.

Acie 09-27-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 572983)
Ha, I meant 19,000. Lol

That's why I said 3000 seats is quite a bit.

:police:

You had me.

XiaominWu 09-27-2011 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 572978)
No, a 3000 drop for a 190,000 seat arena is quite a bit. But again.... The Raps and Jays are not comparable imo. The Jays don't get a sniff at a playoff spot and that's why their attendence really dropped, especially around 1999. That and they dropped thei payroll by 30mil and everyone on the planet knew they weren't going to make the playoffs.

jays lost 20% (10K) immediately after the lost season.

20% for the raps is about 3K..... so it's the same.


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