Will Jose Report to Training camp ?
Old 08-30-2012, 02:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Raptors have done everything in their power to replace Calderon the last few years only to see Calderon out play everyone of them. Now they bring in Lowry who has done squat all for the Raptors yet hes annointed as the starter.We get get another cast off in Lowry.

I say fuck them Caldy and wait it out.Enough is enough force their hand to move you. Then really show those American basketball fans why players never want to come to this organization !

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Old 08-30-2012, 02:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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dudes a professional,

jose will be traded the same way barbosa was traded away, a not surprised get nothing back of value trade
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Old 08-30-2012, 05:15 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The Raptors have done everything in their power to replace Calderon the last few years only to see Calderon out play everyone of them. Now they bring in Lowry who has done squat all for the Raptors yet hes annointed as the starter.We get get another cast off in Lowry.

I say fuck them Caldy and wait it out.Enough is enough force their hand to move you. Then really show those American basketball fans why players never want to come to this organization !

I am going back to finish off my case of beer !
Lol,Calderon isn't good enough to "NOT" report....he should feel lucky that he's even making more than $10 Million alone this season....

Face reality,he'll show up and get traded later on before the deadline...end of story! if he never cost so much he would've been dealt already!
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:17 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Outplayed everyone? I would argue that Ford outplayed him until he had a career altering injury. And Jarrett Jack certainly outplayed him in the 2009-10 season when he started for 3 months and had us in the 5th seed while Jose was yet again injured, then coming off the bench. The one traded in Jack's case was younger, made half the money and was more durable (easier to deal).

If Jose was so great he'd be gone by now. Obviously his market value isn't great. I'd laugh if his overpayed ass didn't report.


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Old 08-30-2012, 07:33 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Jose was a better pg than both Ford and Jack, but moving on... this initial topic is ridiculous. I too would laugh if Jose didn't report which of course he will unless he suddenly becomes a crack head or something.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Jose was a better pg than both Ford and Jack.

No he wasn't. Jack outplayed Jose the only season he was here. Look at the team's record when each started that season. With Ford starting mid December to March we were one of the hottest teams in the league. With Jose starting that season we were well below .500. And Ford I still say prior to the injury was the better PG.

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No he wasn't. Jack outplayed Jose the only season he was here. Look at the team's record when each started that season. With Ford starting mid December to March we were one of the hottest teams in the league. With Jose starting that season we were well below .500. And Ford I still say prior to the injury was the better PG.
You're hilarious with your love for Jarret Jack... the guy is a good backup, but he wasn't that good here and since he left he's been mediocre. Ford was a gamechanger pre-injury.... it's unfortunate.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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No he wasn't. Jack outplayed Jose the only season he was here. Look at the team's record when each started that season. With Ford starting mid December to March we were one of the hottest teams in the league. With Jose starting that season we were well below .500. And Ford I still say prior to the injury was the better PG.
no he didn't. I actually watched the games back then so it's not like i'm using some bias to cloud my judgement. the one thing i'll say is that Jack and Jose were pretty even that season, but you make it sound like Jack was John freaking Stockton. (even though that season Jose's game wasn't as on point as it was before or after to an extent). Jack was slightly more of a chucker though and Jose was slightly better at involving the rest of the team. Give or take. and i don't know about your claims about the record. It's not like it was the Jarrett JAck show when the team was winning, and Jose was the reason the team was sliding... Obvious statement: If he was, he wouldn't have remained as the starter! Remember, it's a team game. As for Ford v Calderon. dude it wasn't even close.
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no he didn't. I actually watched the games back then so it's not like i'm using some bias to cloud my judgement. the one thing i'll say is that Jack and Jose were pretty even that season, but you make it sound like Jack was John freaking Stockton. (even though that season Jose's game wasn't as on point as it was before or after to an extent). Jack was slightly more of a chucker though and Jose was slightly better at involving the rest of the team. Give or take. and i don't know about your claims about the record. It's not like it was the Jarrett JAck show when the team was winning, and Jose was the reason the team was sliding... Obvious statement: If he was, he wouldn't have remained as the starter! Remember, it's a team game. As for Ford v Calderon. dude it wasn't even close.

So thinking one player outplayed the other is making it seem like he's John Stockton like. Sensitive much? Lol

Where did I say he was a great all-star?

IMO Jarrett Jack outplayed Jose that season and the team thrived with him starting, period. It's my opinion now as it was at the time. That plus Jose was yet again injured that season. Jose started the first 6 weeks of the season and we struggled, he went down for a month......Jack started for the next 2.5 months and we were one of the hottest teams in the league during that time. The TEAM played better with him starting, no arguing that. I honestly think that overall both are pretty close in talent, but that season Jack outplayed Jose. Just my opinion.
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Old 08-30-2012, 09:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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So thinking one player outplayed the other is making it seem like he's John Stockton like. Sensitive much? Lol

Where did I say he was a great all-star?
I was obviously exagerating with my Stockton reference. you see he was one of the greatest PG's of all time, so me bringing him up in connection to Jarrett Jack (a very average PG) was meant to be humerous. If i need to explain a joke, well then maybe it is you who are a overly sensitive.

anyways. Read your post again. you're making it seem like Jack put the team on his back and had them well on the way to a playoff run and when the other guy played we were lottery bound.

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Jack and Ford and Bayless are all examples of players who can't play well off the bench. Ford started and team was hot? Thats half because we had a great backup PG in Jose who didn't let the pace drop.

If Casey makes Lowry/Calderon work it could be great.
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Ha. Read your post again. you're making it seem like Jack put the team on his back and had them well on the way to a playoff run and when the other guy played we were lottery bound.
When the fuck did I say that? The team was one of the hotter teams in the league with Jack starting for nearly 3 months (TEAM), with Jose starting the TEAM was a sub .500 team. It is what it is. Just because I think he outplayed Jose for one season doesn't mean I think he's some HOF player and I said, overall I think Jack and Jose are basically are roughly in the same general tier of PG's. But that season he was better than Jose. No need to take it that personally and get all sensitive. It's my opinion.

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When the fuck did I say that? The team was one of the hotter teams in the league with Jack starting for nearly 3 months (TEAM), with Jose starting the TEAM was a sub .500 team. It is what it is. Just because I think he outplayed Jose for one season doesn't mean I think he's some HOF player and I said, overall I think Jack and Jose are basically are roughly in the same general tier of PG's. But that season he was better than Jose. No need to take it that personally and get all sensitive.
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Jose started the first 6 weeks of the season and we struggled, he went down for a month......Jack started for the next 2.5 months and we were one of the hottest teams in the league during that time.
LOL. We're going around in circles. you ask me where you said Jack was the team's MVP and then you follow that up with a line about how when he was the starter we were the hottest team in the league and when Jose was we sucked. you're answering your own question. Clearly i've got you worked up. I'm going to walk away from this conversation now.
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LOL. We're going around in circles. you ask me where you said Jack was the team's MVP and then you follow that up with a line about how when he was the starter we were the hottest team in the league and when Jose was we sucked. you're answering your own question. Clearly i've got you worked up. I'm going to walk away from this conversation now.
MVP? Again, when did I say that? I said the team played better, you know...AS A TEAM with Jack starting. Can you honest dispute that? Seriously? I'm not saying he was the MVP whatsoever (Bosh was our MVP), I'm saying THE TEAM played better with him starting and that he had a better season THAT YEAR than Jose. I know you're a Calderon fanboy and all but no need to be this sensitive about one season, or my opinion. Neither of these PG's is worth this much debate, they're both average PG's at best.
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Wow talk about the same thing over & over much?
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I think we really missed the boat by jettisoning Fred Jones when he was on our team and we had that amazing 3 game winning streak....
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I think we really missed the boat by jettisoning Fred Jones when he was on our team and we had that amazing 3 game winning streak....
Ha, that's comparable. Lol
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Wow talk about the same thing over & over much?
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although JJ was a decent PG, he was brought here for one reason and one reason only...to appease Mr Bosh

back on topic...call Jose what you will but he's not an idiot...he will report and say all the right things
how this scenario plays out is anybody's guess at this point
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