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Old 01-12-2009, 12:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Does anyone think Jose will be able to improve his defensive skills over the course of his contract?

I think he can. I don't think he worked on this defensive skills this past off-season because of his injury at the end of the Olympics.

I know he's not great, but I didn't think he'd get burned as bad as he has at times this year.
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:27 PM   #2 (permalink)
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what kind of defense is he expected to play? is he really expected to shut down other point guards like Rajon or Chris Paul man up? well, if you watch other teams, not many actually play the pg's man up, usually some sort of combo screen or soft zone is the most effective, our problem has been and will be defense off of screens, ask Ray Allen about how shitty we are moving through screens or how late we are on perimeter help. our defensive woes are not about the point guard position, but about how little of it the team actually plays. if we had a wing committed to defense, this team would not look so weak at the guard spot on defense. IMHO
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what kind of defense is he expected to play? is he really expected to shut down other point guards like Rajon or Chris Paul man up? well, if you watch other teams, not many actually play the pg's man up, usually some sort of combo screen or soft zone is the most effective, our problem has been and will be defense off of screens, ask Ray Allen about how shitty we are moving through screens or how late we are on perimeter help. our defensive woes are not about the point guard position, but about how little of it the team actually plays. if we had a wing committed to defense, this team would not look so weak at the guard spot on defense. IMHO
I'll disagree with you. Everything the team does offensively and defensively begins with the PG. If you're PG is weak defensively then you'll have problems all the other places.

The reason I think he'll improve as an on the ball defender is because it's a matter of him going to the gym and simply improving his lateral quickness. He doesn't move side to side all that well and alot of guards are able to get by him easily b/c he lacks this quickness. Also, what he needs to do is learn subtle nuances, but really, if he improves his quickness, something that simply requires effort, then he'll improve. Also, I'd like to see, what a defensive minded assistant coach could do for him, i.e. teaching him those nuances.

In short, yes, he can improve and I expect him improve. He played poorly in his rookie season (offensively) he hit the gym hard and improved offensively. I expect that same work ethic to be applied to his defense this offseason.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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For the most part a point guard cannot defend another point guard to the extent that would make some poeple happy.

Chris Paul is arguably the best defender at his position in the NBA, yet his Opponent PER is the highest in the league, a direct result of pick and roll offense, etc that forces mismatches.

So I do agree with Claudius that it will indeed get better, it just will never be at a level of "lockdown"
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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theres no where else to go but up for him....
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Saying the team needs to play better D is obv, but still an excuse, because Jose`s D is horrid and it has a negative effect no matter what system your running that you continually almost every play need to send help and the good PGs tear us apart with the drive and kick, like yesterday, Rondo got whereever he wanted, whenever he wanted and the result of that was Allen 3s etc.
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It's clear his lateral quicks are not where they used to be, so yes of course a healthy Jose can defend better.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Jose will only improve if hes healthy. Even with his health issues he is still our best overall shooter from the field, 3pt,and charity stripe. This guy is a warrior unfortunately he was not ready to return yesterday. When he does return he should come off the bench and we should work him back slowly. I don't think we as an organization utilized Jose properly right from the start. We all new he was hurt in the summer, we all new he has not logged 35 minutes per game as a starter, we all talked about wearing him out at the start of the year, we all new that he was average at best as a defender. So now when he is hurt and who knows how long hes been playing at less then 100% do we get polls questioning his defence and threads just throwing him under the bus. This guy is all class, a great team guy and leader. Guys like him are the ones that you want to go to battle with because you know he will be there when you need him.
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Of course he can improve his defense, but I won't expect him to became a top defender, he doesn't have the poise to be a pest, he is just too nice. You have to be a though asshole to be a good defender
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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forget calderon's physical disadvantages, i want him to re-learn the whole concept of defense. what he knows now might be sufficient for international competition, but it's not for the nba. take him back to the basics. that alone would make him a better defender.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:18 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Saying the team needs to play better D is obv, but still an excuse, because Jose`s D is horrid and it has a negative effect no matter what system your running that you continually almost every play need to send help and the good PGs tear us apart with the drive and kick, like yesterday, Rondo got whereever he wanted, whenever he wanted and the result of that was Allen 3s etc.
And it was Jose's fault that we were horrid with our shooting ????? Allen was making shots from everywhere many were made with a hand in his face. Unfortunately we missed many shots without anyone even close to our shooters but it was all Jose's fault ??????
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i'm sure all these anti-calderon threads are annoying

i'm just not so sure if they're as annoying as hearing about his health or how it's his teammates fault that his defense is so horrid
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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And it was Jose's fault that we were horrid with our shooting ????? Allen was making shots from everywhere many were made with a hand in his face. Unfortunately we missed many shots without anyone even close to our shooters but it was all Jose's fault ??????
If you cant see we played MUCH better when Jose had his ass on the bench, then we were watching a different game my friend.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:26 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I actually thought he improved his defense quite a bit at the start of the year.
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Jose is probably the linchpin behind the majority of our defensive woes this season. It seems whenever the opposing team is having success it comes from attacking Jose 1-on-1 of the bounce...If the opposing point guard can get dribble penetration EVERY time down the court the raps must send help meaning someone will inevitably be left open. I would be satisfied if Jose could attack opposing defenses the same way, but his athletic ability seems to have weaned (injury concerns possibly?)...Remember the Jose who attacked the basket all the time? Who hit the ground way too hard after almost every dribble drive?...he has definitely lost some quicks
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these team defense excuses are just total bullshit.
if the guy cant defend at all then are we not one person short of a team to play team defense.
its like 5-4 out there when Calderon is just watching guys do whatever they want on offense.

we do need improvement as a team on helps and switches but that doesnt justify his horrible defense. i know he's injured but yesterday he was a total spectator. he just stood still the whole time on defense and thats how it usually is when he's healthy as well.

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If you cant see we played MUCH better when Jose had his ass on the bench, then we were watching a different game my friend.
And as we watched the game and our guys were missing lay ups and wide open shots my buddies and myself said to each other Jose will get the blame. You say and others claim Jose to be predictable please look into the mirror. Don't get me wrong here Jose does irk me at times. I get upset over the fact that hes not alittle more selfish with the ball. He has shown all of us that he can take the ball to rim when he wants. I just think he over thinks and trys to keep his mates happy. He lacks that NBA killer stuff it down their throat mentality. We beat Boston last year and Jose stuffed it down their throats for the win. We know he can do it....maybe Jose should be told to drive it down their throats...maybe the same approach used for the red rocket if you don't shoot you sit on the bench.
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And as we watched the game and our guys were missing lay ups and wide open shots my buddies and myself said to each other Jose will get the blame. You say and others claim Jose to be predictable please look into the mirror. Don't get me wrong here Jose does irk me at times. I get upset over the fact that hes not alittle more selfish with the ball. He has shown all of us that he can take the ball to rim when he wants. I just think he over thinks and trys to keep his mates happy. He lacks that NBA killer stuff it down their throat mentality. We beat Boston last year and Jose stuffed it down their throats for the win. We know he can do it....maybe Jose should be told to drive it down their throats...maybe the same approach used for the red rocket if you don't shoot you sit on the bench.
I agree with what you are saying, i just dont know if Jose is capable of driving for whatever reason.

As for being more selfish, it goes both ways, i want him to shoot more and drive more for sure. But he is always too selfish in terms of the amount of clock he eats up every possession just waiting, that bugs me more then anything, he takes like 8 seconds off the clock just dribbling around with his awkward shoulder high dribbles, letting the D get set and then making the purely obvious pass.
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Remember the Jose who attacked the basket all the time? Who hit the ground way too hard after almost every dribble drive?...he has definitely lost some quicks
Right on Josh, remember the guy that took it to the rim only to hear the complaining then when his fg% was high because most of his shots were lay ups.
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Old 01-12-2009, 01:46 PM   #20 (permalink)
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jose is a good player and i see him as the best point guard in the raps team. but since his hamstring injury it looks like roko ukic and will solomon are taking their advantages to step up to his level. Calderon needs major practice by him self to get in shape and back to his game so he can probably take us to the top of the charts
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