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Old 12-06-2012, 01:45 AM   #21 (permalink)
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i dont know how hard it is to trade 2 guys -_-
This isn't NBA2K12, Colangelo is not afraid to pull the trigger on deals, either he's waiting for the value to go up, or there isn't anything out there worth discussing.

That's pretty much it.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:47 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think if he keeps him.. he will be fired.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:50 AM   #23 (permalink)
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As much as i hate Bargnani right now, other than Aldridge who played the same position as Bosh at the time there wasn't going to be anyone else picked there. Take a good lookt at the top 6 in that draft. It's putrid. Adam Morrisson, Sheldon Williams, POB, Tyrus Thomas....all lottery picks.
I'm not getting on BC for the draft choice. With what was available, he did a pretty good job. It's just that Bargnani didn't become the player he envisioned. It was worth the risk and he's still talented with a unique skillset for a 7 footer. With his skillset he can be a very good player if he's on the right team/situation. I just think it's best for us and Bargnani to move on.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:53 AM   #24 (permalink)
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As much as i hate Bargnani right now, other than Aldridge who played the same position as Bosh at the time there wasn't going to be anyone else picked there. Take a good lookt at the top 6 in that draft. It's putrid.
My thing is this,you're going first,you have the best chance of dictating your future,you have to do EVERYTHING in your power to get it right. We may not know who is who but that's why you have scouts. They already had Rasho/Bosh so just like LA would've been,AB was a redundant pick. They needed a SF/SG more with mediocre Graham/Peterson combo at the time but they elected to go with AB instead of a Gay or Roy and then signed Parker. They also could've traded the pick if they weren't sure but you can't gamble at #1,Bargnani was a clear cut gamble. The past is the past though,I saw the Bucks get Ellis,a pretty good player for Bogut,another gamble at #1 but that's because Milwaukee gave up at the right time. Its too late for TO to get an Ellis caliber player for Bargnani but they can get something decent before its too late if they act quickly(as in make a move before years is up.)
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I think he has the balls to trade Bargnani but won't do it yet because he would be admitting that he fucked up by drafting him #1 overall which is inexcusable to get that pick wrong
It somewhat reminds me of Rafael Araujo. It felt like Babcock didn't want to let go of him because he was responsbile for picking him ahead of Iggy at #8 (on Jack Mcloskey's advice). It took a new GM to come in a trade him before the next season began - BC. Hoffa for Humphries and Whaley. I hope that's not the case with Bargnani.
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I'm not getting on BC for the draft choice. With what was available, he did a pretty good job. It's just that Bargnani didn't become the player he envisioned. It was worth the risk and he's still talented with a unique skillset for a 7 footer. With his skillset he can be a very good player if he's on the right team/situation. I just think it's best for us and Bargnani to move on.
Yup he needs to start beside a Dwight Howard type player & he needs someone to motivate, & bark in his ear about everything.
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This isn't NBA2K12, Colangelo is not afraid to pull the trigger on deals, either he's waiting for the value to go up, or there isn't anything out there worth discussing.

That's pretty much it.
Agreed,he's waiting for the value to go up............................

The reality is,its moving slowly. Also if Bargs starts playing well,he won't trade him so its a tough situation. Calderon will be moved eventually,he's not coming back so BC understands he wants to get something for that asset
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Yup he needs to start beside a Dwight Howard type player & he needs someone to motivate, & bark in his ear about everything.
Kobe will make AB a stud.... sick. We'll end up with a guy with shot knees... It's LA's signature move.
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:58 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Old 12-06-2012, 01:59 AM   #30 (permalink)
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My thing is this,you're going first,you have the best chance of dictating your future,you have to do EVERYTHING in your power to get it right. We may not know who is who but that's why you have scouts. They already had Rasho/Bosh so just like LA would've been,AB was a redundant pick. They needed a SF/SG more with mediocre Graham/Peterson combo at the time but they elected to go with AB instead of a Gay or Roy and then signed Parker. They also could've traded the pick if they weren't sure but you can't gamble at #1,Bargnani was a clear cut gamble. The past is the past though,I saw the Bucks get Ellis,a pretty good player for Bogut,another gamble at #1 but that's because Milwaukee gave up at the right time. Its too late for TO to get an Ellis caliber player for Bargnani but they can get something decent before its too late if they act quickly(as in make a move before years is up.)
I see your point, but I think what Jeff was getting at was that it wasn't only BC that passed up on guys like Gay and Rondo. A lot of other GMs didn't have them on their radar as well. Adam Morrison was worse. We didn't end up picking the best player available, but at the time it wasn't a bad move. I won't hold the drafting of Bargnani against BC. It's more of his unwillingness to trade him (sources speculate). It could be the case of him not getting any good offers though.
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It somewhat reminds me of Rafael Araujo. It felt like Babcock didn't want to let go of him because he was responsbile for picking him ahead of Iggy at #8 (on Jack Mcloskey's advice). It took a new GM to come in a trade him before the next season began - BC. Hoffa for Humphries and Whaley. I hope that's not the case with Bargnani.
The thing is there's nothing to be embarrassed about by taking Bargs #1 at the time,even looking back at the draft,there's not that much all start talent from the 1st round but with the benefit of hindsight,we now know it was the wrong selection. It was a gamble,which hasn't paid off. My question to myself if I were BC is how did my staff (at #1) fail to see the potential in guys like Rondo,Gay,Roy,Aldridge,Lowry? Did I have enough resources to make the right choice? Everybody is screaming lottery but do you trust BC with another #1? This is the diffenece between mediocre teams that always get top 5 picks but still struggle compared to the teams like the Spurs who can draft a Parker late or Blair in the 2nd round or trade up to take a Leonard.
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If he's presented with something like Gasol, I hope he does it.
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I am still so against getting gasol, because I have the biggest feeling of JO Version 2.0
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I see your point, but I think what Jeff was getting at was that it wasn't only BC that passed up on guys like Gay and Rondo. A lot of other GMs didn't have them on their radar as well. Adam Morrison was worse. We didn't end up picking the best player available, but at the time it wasn't a bad move. I won't hold the drafting of Bargnani against BC. It's more of his unwillingness to trade him (sources speculate). It could be the case of him not getting any good offers though.
Yea,all true. Good reply...and you're right,BC wasn't the only one even though every teams needs and make up were different at the time.
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I always felt that he doesn't have the balls to do it, but when his job is on the line.. I think he knows he has to
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he should have been traded numerous times when he had some value as a basketball player.
now his stock is at an all time low. not going to get anything decent unless he strings a couple good weeks together.
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The thing that pisses me off is year after year, we always hear about oh the Raptors have some of the best depth in the NBA. I seriously don't care if we have depth at the 4 spot or we have Alan Anderson and Fields behind DeRozan. When that depth is mediocre at best, it's really not that comforting. It's time to trade some of those pieces to bring in a game changer. Bargnani and Calderon have to go for an all-star type wing in a three team trade or we need to go after Gasol.
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:14 AM   #38 (permalink)
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um is that sarcasm? Those are actually decent offers for Bargs i would trade him away for either okafor or wilson chandler in a heartbeat if the offer presented itself..
I'd definitely do Bargs for those players, it'd just be funny/sad to see the Bargs era end with being traded for a big fat crap contract like Okafor's.

But yeah, basically it'd work for me. Okafor plays maybe 20mpg here so with that leaves a juicy 76 minutes to distribute between Ed, Amir and Val. That's like 25 each if distributed evenly. Ed is the guy who benefits the most as he becomes starting PF and lets us know what we have in him. Okafor helps get our defensive culture on track, seems like a really good dude, probably becomes BFF with Casey.

The move wouldn't be about Okafor though, it'd be about ending the Bargs era
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Old 12-06-2012, 02:24 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Sometimes I wish I can win one of those big 500 million dollar lotteries in the States and become an owner of a basketball team. I would make myself General Manager. I think I could do a better job than MJ and Isiah.
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Yup he needs to start beside a Dwight Howard type player & he needs someone to motivate, & bark in his ear about everything.
That's a common believe, but it's wrong. All defensive rotations break down with Bargnani. Dwight will have to rotate and AB won't. It's so easy to attack against 4 defenders and AB.
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