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Old 05-01-2012, 12:07 PM   #61 (permalink)
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A fairer comparison between the two would be when they're at the same ages and points in their careers. You don't determine how good a player is by comparing him to the rest of the players on his team, you do so by comparing him to the rest of the players in the league.
But it sure is fair to compare him to a surefire, first ballot. hall of famer in his prime!
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But it sure is fair to compare him to a surefire, first ballot. hall of famer in his prime!
well, with skin colour and continent of origin factored in, they're basically the same guy...
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:12 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Answer to the originial question: Because he's by far the best player on this team. Now with JV coming over, we'll start building aroiund both of them.
Thats questionable. I don't even think he is the best player on this team. Sure he had a good stretch of 13 games which doesn't really mean much. After that he stunk horribly. He was eclipsed by DD and Calderon this year.
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:21 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Thats questionable. I don't even think he is the best player on this team. Sure he had a good stretch of 13 games which doesn't really mean much. After that he stunk horribly. He was eclipsed by DD and Calderon this year.
So you would rather build around DD than Bargs?
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:44 PM   #65 (permalink)
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So you would rather build around DD than Bargs?
I would do so 100 times and not look back. And maybe then some.

Bargnani isn't that much of an offensive threat. He still doesn't know how to take advantage of smaller guys guarding him. He plays mostly well against bad teams.

If you have a big who can't rebound after 35-40 minutes of play and who doesn't know how to play simple help defense you cannot cover those deficiencies. You cannot build a winning team with those deficiencies. We saw last year how Reggie Evans, a top 5 rebounder when given the minutes even couldn't make up for Bargnani's historically bad rebounding.

Pat Riley has a saying. "No Rebounds no rings".

I think you understand how important rebounding is on a winning team.

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Not to mention Dirk is putting up those numbers while he's 33 and in the last stages of his career while Barg is putting up his while he's in his prime, so even at his best Barg is putting up inferior numbers to Dirk while Dirk is at his worst. A fairer comparison between the two would be when they're at the same ages and points in their careers. Compare Barg's 5th season (last year) with the advantage that it has been his best so far to Dirk's 5th season and in every respect Dirk blows Barg out of the water. No coincidence that the best players on elite teams happen to be of the elite variety while the best players on mediocre teams are merely of the solid-to-above-average variety (or are rookies). You don't determine how good a player is by comparing him to the rest of the players on his team, you do so by comparing him to the rest of the players in the league.
So if we compare DeRozan to Wade, James Johnson to Lebron, Ed Davis to Aldridge, Gray to Dwight, Bayless to Paul... etc. Why are we comparing a 9M player to a max player?
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I would do so 100 times and not look back. And maybe then some.

If you have a big who can't rebound after 35-40 minutes of play and who doesn't know how to play simple help defense you cannot cover those deficiencies. You cannot build a winning team with those deficiencies.

Pat Riley has a saying. "No Rebounds no rings".

I think you understand how important rebounding is on a winning team.
DD is also a poor rebounder for his position!

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I would do so 100 times and not look back. And maybe then some.

If you have a big who can't rebound after 35-40 minutes of play and who doesn't know how to play simple help defense you cannot cover those deficiencies. You cannot build a winning team with those deficiencies.

Pat Riley has a saying. "No Rebounds no rings".

I think you understand how important rebounding is on a winning team.
I'm sure Riley would also say "No Rebounds, Assists, Defence, Shooting, Basketball IQ, Reliable Offence, No Rings" if you asked him to build around DD. DD is not much of a better defender than AB in my opinion.
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you can't say Bargnani is our best player so we build around him and then when we compare him to other centerpieces around the league you point out thats not fair cuz he's making 9M per year. you can't have it both ways. someone making 9M during a contract in his prime is not who you want to build around imo.
you build around a player because he's worth being build around. you don't just build around a guy for the sake of picking one guy. right now Raptors don't have that guy yet.
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you can't say Bargnani is our best player so we build around him and then when we compare him to other centerpieces around the league you point out thats not fair cuz he's making 9M per year. you can't have it both ways. someone making 9M during a contract in his prime is not who you want to build around imo.
you build around a player because he's worth being build around. you don't just build around a guy for the sake of picking one guy. right now Raptors don't have that guy yet.
So if you don't have that guy, you just don't build? Let's move the franchise then!

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So if you don't have that guy, you just don't build? Let's move the franchise then!

i don't know how you came to that conclusion from what i said...
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DD is also a poor rebounder for his position!

23rd in total rebounds per game for all guards puts you right around average.
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i don't know how you came to that conclusion from what i said...
because you came to the conclusion that building around Bargnani means that he has to be compared to max players on other teams..... you can't have it both ways.
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because you came to the conclusion that building around Bargnani means that he has to be compared to max players on other teams..... you can't have it both ways.
not has to... but can

if today we chose DD to build around then we would be comparing DD to other guards in the league that are centerpieces of their team. its fair comparison and you can't dismiss it by saying DD is only making a fraction of what the other players are making. if thats the arguement ur gonna make then don't build around him then!
my point is, you build around a guy if you have THE guy. don't build around a guy for the sake of having to chose a guy.

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23rd in total rebounds per game for all guards puts you right around average.
And not being in the top 40 in RB40 is far below average. The man is just ahead of Steve Nash in Rebounds per 40 minutes. Dear god.

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Thats questionable. I don't even think he is the best player on this team. Sure he had a good stretch of 13 games which doesn't really mean much. After that he stunk horribly. He was eclipsed by DD and Calderon this year.
Which didn't mean much? Why, because he got hurt and the team itself sucks?

Ridiculous.
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And not being in the top 40 in RB40 is far below average. The man is just ahead of Steve Nash in Rebounds per 40 minutes. Dear god.

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Which still gives him the same number of rebounds as derrick Rose & ahead of Ray allen.

Fact is guard rebounding matters very little.

Lets look at Bargnani shall we. 77th in rebounds per 40 minutes. Behind Chase Budinger and James Johnson.
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Which didn't mean much? Why, because he got hurt and the team itself sucks?

Ridiculous.
13 games from an 82 game season mean very little.
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13 games from an 82 game season mean very little.
did you just say 82 game!!??

and i think bargs' 13 game showed enough.
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Well, none of this makes any sense anyhow. Who said Toronto was "building" around anyone on this roster??

You keep Bargnani because he is simply a very good player. You trade him if it brings one that is better.

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