WHY sam MUST go...
Old 04-27-2008, 03:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have been saying for the longest time... Sam Mitchell does not fit the Raptors organization. I even called it the year he won the coach of the year. He needs to go and these are in my opinion the reasons why:

1- Does not use his talent properly or efficiently. We all see it with the T.J. and Calderon ring a round the rosey. However, we have a lot of talent i.e Hump, Kapono, Delfino. Mitchell is stubborn and runs the team his way or no way. He cannot adapt and makes very poor decisions when it comes to lineup/substitutions.

2- Does not call timeouts to stop runs. If you look at all the elite teams with elite coaches (Popovich, P. Jackson, Sloan), they NEVER allow a run to continue for no more than 2-3 baskets. Mitchell allows runs to go for as many as 4-5 baskets.... i've even counted 7! We all know that when a team gets a rhythm or catches fire... stop it! Bite that sh** in the ass! Call a 20, readjust your stategy.

3- Does not draw up/call enough plays. The raps are in the box offensive 80% of the time. What happened to the triangle offence, screen and roll, or drive and kick? Our half court offence is easy to defend and nobody moves. No one is making screens, off ball picks, high screens, slashing to the hoop etc. As soon as Bosh gets the ball, its a one on one game.... at most we have one player active, the rest wait for the ball to come back their way. With our talent and physical capability ... we should be scoring more off of fast breaks. Mitchell runs the same 4/5 plays over and over.

I hate to say this but its for the better that we are going to lose to the Magic. Sam Mitchell dealt his fate in game 4. I apologize for pointing out a more realistic outcome. However, Mitchells decision making during this years playoffs and even the entire season has confirmed for BC that sam was never his desired coach. Colangelo was clearly pressured by the coach of the year award. He had no choice but re-sign the coach of the year. BC has worked with great coaches and he even brought over his own team when coming to Toronto. If Mitchell did not win that award he would have been replaced also. Sam WILL be gone by the next season... i guarantee it!
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:15 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think you're being too technical. I've long thought that the team just isn't playing for Sam. You see this time and again -- teams quitting on their coach. I like Sam, but I think his time with these guys is up.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Too technical? Thats an interesting statement. Isn't that what sports in general is all about? How can one not be technical in any sport? They don't call the best power forward ever "the big fundamental" for no reason. Mitchell is more of a players emotions type coach. Gets the guys fired up, doesn't play them when they aren't practicing hard etc... we just need someone who calls plays, strategizes, adapts to the game, rewards a player with game time when they are playing well instead of determing your line up because they played well in the play offs LAST YEAR???
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Welcome to RF six.

My question to you bigsix, you think a different coach right now with the "talent" (and I say that very lightly) we have is going to make this team any stronger? It's hard to make shit shine and we're not as strong as some like to believe we are. When you pretty much only have one scoring threat [Bosh] and a number of inconsistent players to fill out the remainder of your roster, its hard to imagine this team being anything more than what we were this season. A team that either just makes it or just misses the playoffs.

I don't think Sam is the only reason why this team has played like it did. If Sam is fired this summer, I think its more because Colangelo wants to bring in his own person and finally cut ties with one of the last pieces of the old franchise in Sam. BC can't be that delusional to think who's playing for us right now was going to continue to overachieve like we did last year. Plain and simple, this roster really isn't that good.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:47 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Let's get technical then shall we?

Do you care to explain the Jose/TJ ring around the rosey? Obviously TJ off of the bench didn't work and Jose is good regardless of whether he starts or not. TJ being reinserted into the starting lineup and Jose off the bench maximizes the PG potential, no?

Pop and Jackson are notorious for not calling timeouts and making their teams play through their opponents runs.

Our offense is fine - we score plenty of baskets. It's our porous D and lack of an intimidating inside presence that are the teams achilles heal.

Colangelo is not swayed by awards, the media or fans opinion's. If he didn't want Mitchell he would'nt have resigned him to a four year deal.

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Old 04-27-2008, 11:53 AM   #6 (permalink)
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There were "Fire Mitchell"chants in the stands yesterday. It was ugly.
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Old 04-27-2008, 12:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There were "Fire Mitchell"chants in the stands yesterday. It was ugly.
no there weren't. i was there.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Sam must go because he's a rookie coach - we need somebody with experience. Sam might be a good coach someday, but we can't afford to wait. He was supposed to make big improvements this season, and frankly I didn't see any.

When CB4 publicly questions the coaching - that's a significant thing, because Chris is usually very reserved, and he was known to have a great relation with Sam.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Let's get technical then shall we?

Do you care to explain the Jose/TJ ring around the rosey? Obviously TJ off of the bench didn't work and Jose is good regardless of whether he starts or not. TJ being reinserted into the starting lineup and Jose off the bench maximizes the PG potential, no?

Pop and Jackson are notorious for not calling timeouts and making their teams play through their opponents runs.

Our offense is fine - we score plenty of baskets. It's our porous D and lack of an intimidating inside presence that are the teams achilles heal.

Colangelo is not swayed by awards, the media or fans opinion's. If he didn't want Mitchell he would'nt have resigned him to a four year deal.
How does the PG position become maximized when you have a cancer like TJ in the game. He holds the ball for a good portion of the shot clock and doesn't swing the ball. The only thing I can give him credit for is his drive and kick game. He does that well. However, Jose can play with the big names. He is showing traits of becoming a great point guard. He is clutch, keeps his composure, swings the ball well, creates shots, plays much better D than TJ.

Let me ask you a question in regards to the last comment you made about Colangelo not being swayed. How do you think his reputation would be effected if he were to NOT sign smitch and he had a great year else where? You got to remember... Colangelo came in that same year and had a lot of face to save.

Also.... how do you figure our offence is fine when the olnly consistent scorer is Bosh? I don't understand.

And we DO have good talent. I'm not saying we are an elite team however, we could have been up there with the Magic and Cleveland in regards to standings had our coaching staff made better decisions with lineups, strategy, and subs. Kapono, great shooter. Humphries, hustle player, chases rebounds. Delfino, plays good D, can get to the foul line. Rasho, we all know what he can do. Bosh, no need to emphasize.

Mark my words folks... sam and ford are GONE and I welcome this move with open arms... have been since day one! My two.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:14 PM   #10 (permalink)
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TJ had 13 assists yesterday. What a hog!

Right or wrong TJ off the bench doesn't work and it's the reality that he has been dealt until it can be resolved at the end of the season. Jose plays well off of the bench or if he starts. If Jose starts and struggles and he's got TJ on the bench who does he turn to?

Re: the offence. In case you haven't noticed we're saddled with a team chalked full of inconsistent players.

I'm sure Colangelo could give a rat's ass about his reputation and what you and I think of him. The bottom line is he wants to win and if he thought bringing in someone else could garner more wins not only this season, but beyond he would've brought them in.

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no there weren't. i was there.
Were you there for the whole game? Sections 308, 309, 310 were chanting for sure the last 48 seconds of the game.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Here's something that could've been missed on TV yesterday. Calderon was coming to the bench to replace Ford and Ford waived off the substitution. At this point, TJ made a couple mistakes. Next thing you know, Rasho is out of the game and TJ and Jose is in the game together. I'm not saying that wasn't the original substitution but it's a telling sign when a player decides he can waive off the coach's substition whether for himself or not.
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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13 assists? LOL this guy is funny. Ask yourself this... how many times has he done that this season? And what do those assists mean when TJ is taking foolish shots when the game is close and time is running out? They mean nothing!

Re: inconsistent players. Ask yourself why they are inconsistent. Did you ever stop and think that maybe just maybe its because of Mitchell's strategy? Charles Barkley said it best about our team. We are Jackyl and Hyde. When we hit our shots, we are good otherwise we are no better than the Miami Heat LOL. If Mitchell would call plays according to his talent/players then we wouldn't be living off of jump shots. Its not a coincidence as to why we are at the top of the three point shooting percentages every year... its because we shoot a shi* load of them... i.e. 19 yesterday!
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Old 04-27-2008, 11:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I guess I must be right about managing the PG situation because you have no rebuttal other than to malign TJ.

In case you haven't noticed we have a team of jump shooters.
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Old 04-28-2008, 12:13 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Here's something that could've been missed on TV yesterday. Calderon was coming to the bench to replace Ford and Ford waived off the substitution. At this point, TJ made a couple mistakes. Next thing you know, Rasho is out of the game and TJ and Jose is in the game together. I'm not saying that wasn't the original substitution but it's a telling sign when a player decides he can waive off the coach's substition whether for himself or not.
This happened with 27 seconds left in the quarter, TJ was being called out because Sam didn't want him getting into foul trouble, TJ waived him off because he was going to make sure he played back. This is seriously not an issue at all.
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Fire Sam
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skiles to milwaukee.

btw if i was skiles, i'd flip flop the "e" into an "l". scott skills or scottskills..just a thought jerky
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:38 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Bosh needs to listen to his detractors.

It's a pain in the ass that he gets almost NO blame for anythinng on this board.
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Bosh needs to listen to his detractors.

It's a pain in the ass that he gets almost NO blame for anythinng on this board.
he gets no blame?, there were like three threads dishing him last week here. And everyone here seems to think that trading him is a good idea, wich I think its not.
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Old 04-28-2008, 01:18 PM   #20 (permalink)
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He needs to stop playing Bosh for 48 minutes a game and play either Primo or Humpy every so often. Seriously, what's the worst they could do?
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