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raptor123 03-23-2008 10:20 PM

Why does Moon take so many 3's.
 
Just watched the raptors play the Nuggets. We played well enough to win however I ask why is Moon taking so many 3's. In the fourth quarter he chucked up a 3 only to miss and the Nuggets go down the court to score. I don't blame Moon but I do blame Mitch why have him on the floor at that time.Sorry guys but I can't finish up a post without mentioning wtf is Ford laughing about after the game.This guy must go the faster the better. Looks like Dixon was better as a backup because it forced Jose to play most of the game. The more I watch this team play the more it becomes obvious that Jose is a better fit then TJ fORD.

moremilk 03-23-2008 10:46 PM

because he's open very often, and late in the shot clock. I honestly don't understand this Moon criticism. I don't remember him ever taking a bad shot, a.k.a a 3pt attempt in the first 5-10 seconds of the attack. Yes, he takes a lot of 3pt shots, and yes he shouldn't take them. However, that's not his fault - when you receive the ball with 5-7 seconds left and you are open, you have 2 options, shoot an open 3pt shot, or pass the ball to somebody who will be in a very tough position to do anything of quality. If anything, blame Mitchell for how he constructs our offense.

Regardless, I think next season this point will be moot. If he improves his percentages by 5%, he will no longer be allowed all these open shots by the opposition, and he will get a better chance of driving to the basket.

Belsius 03-23-2008 10:48 PM

Cause moon was doing a good job on Melo, imaging what he would have done on kapono. Besides He didnt take that many bad shotsWe needed him there. He took two Ill advised shots maximum. Thats his fault not Sams. When we were desperate he did put Kapono. Moon got 15 rebounds and did an all around good game

Demetrio 03-23-2008 11:01 PM

Watch for Moon, he could be the next Scottie Pippen once he find his game, he got potential to be at that level no questions ask.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

raptor123 03-23-2008 11:03 PM

I totally agree that Moon had a strong game however, Moon is wide open for the 3 because the Nuggets want him to shoot. They know he is a weak 3 point shooter. Moon should have taken the ball to the hoop, thats his strength.

Dr. J. Naismith 03-24-2008 09:17 AM

Because of how wide open Moon has been on these critical shots as of late, I would prefer to see him attack the hoop instead and possibly even draw some fouls. It's not like he has a hand in his face when he's taking these jumpers or three pointers, but knowing he's not consistent with his jumper he's got to make better decisions. He needs to play smarter and use his ability of driving to the basketball to his advantage instead of neglecting to do so. :(

fho 03-24-2008 09:25 AM

My exact sentiments Dr. J.

The scouting by the other teams must have concluded that Moon is the right person to leave open. In close situations like yesterday, the coach has to either tell him to drive or take closer shots, or replace him with Delfino (who tends to drive despite being less athletic than Moon), or Kapono (where we'd be more comfortable taking the 3's).

Or have better plays to get Calderon or Parker the ball.

But I guess, like every other player, Moon has to experience that situation sometime in his career and improve on it.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! 03-24-2008 09:32 AM

I dont think this is a huge issue... he's open because you pick your poison and he's it right now. His shooting has improved all season long..slowly but improved. With more experience he'll learn to make the right decisions but when you're wide open late in the clock and you can shoot a three...take it. Next year hopefully we have a more elite SF and Moon will be a solid bench roleplayer and this wont' be a big issue anymore.

rapsfan087 03-24-2008 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith (Post 20309)
Because of how wide open Moon has been on these critical shots as of late, I would prefer to see him attack the hoop instead


Just saying: if his defender gives him space, it's more difficult to attack the rim.

I know why are you saying that and I understand it, but if our team only can get those shots at the finals minutes, I'm not gonna blame Moon if he shoots. JMO.

Dr. J. Naismith 03-24-2008 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rapsfan087 (Post 20315)
Just saying: if his defender gives him space, it's more difficult to attack the rim.

Where do you think he'll have the better opportunity to help his team though? Knowing he can't the hit broad side of a barn with his shot, even if he doesn't make the it when he attacks the hoop, he still takes the opportunity to draw a foul and possibly get to the free throw line. I like those chances alot better than taking a wide open shot knowing its Jamario taking it. Seeing how he's probably our best rebounder too, shooting the three pointer or jumper is a crapshoot especially knowing the lack of rebounding we have and the fact that he's pretty much taken himself out from having the ability to get the offensive board too.

I'm just saying though, Jamario know his strengths and weaknesses by now. He's played pretty much the entire season for more than adaquate minutes, so its not like he's still trying to get a feel for his game. Mentally is where he still needs to mature, because physically and athletically he's already there in my opinion. :)

rapsfan087 03-24-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith (Post 20317)
Where do you think he'll have the better opportunity to help his team though? Knowing he can't the hit broad side of a barn with his shot, even if he doesn't make the it when he attacks the hoop, he still takes the opportunity to draw a foul and possibly get to the free throw line. I like those chances alot better than taking a wide open shot knowing its Jamario taking it. Seeing how he's probably our best rebounder too, shooting the three pointer or jumper is a crapshoot especially knowing the lack of rebounding we have and the fact that he's pretty much taken himself out from having the ability to get the offensive board too.

I'm just saying though, Jamario know his strengths and weaknesses by now. He's played pretty much the entire season for more than adaquate minutes, so its not like he's still trying to get a feel for his game. Mentally is where he still needs to mature, because physically and athletically he's already there in my opinion. :)

hmmm ... if the defender gives you space and you go to the rim, it's more easy that you get a charge foul ( defender has more time to place his body in your way) that he gets a blocking foul.

I agree with you that Jamario is more important on the glass than at the perimeter, but I think Jamario is doing what he's said: spread the court. He cannot be at 2 places at the same time.

My point here is that Moon isn't the unique guilty. At least the guy knowing that he isn't a good shooter has the enough rocks to shoot it when he has to (although he fails, all those shots were open). Maybe our team knowing what the other teams are gonna do at the final minutes ( defend the good shooters and let the bad ones shoot) would have to create different plays.

These Moon's shots are the consequence of the bad play, no the motive. JMO.

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Dr. J. Naismith 03-24-2008 11:05 AM

I guess we agree to disagree then rapsfan087. By the defender not respecting Moon's shot by giving him so much space to shoot doesn't mean he's going to automatically get called for the "charge" if he decides to drive . Unless Jamario plans on jumping over the player, they can attack the rim properly without drawing a charge everytime. Sometimes he might get called, but Moon still stands a better chance in scoring if he drives than he does shooting from long range at this point. He just needs to be a little more creative offensively. Once he develops a more consistent shot, then we don't need to have this discussion. But until then Moon has to learn how to create more for himself. Because offensively right now he isn't doing any favours for himself. :(

rapsfan087 03-24-2008 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. J. Naismith (Post 20330)
I guess we agree to disagree then rapsfan087. By the defender not respecting Moon's shot by giving him so much space to shoot doesn't mean he's going to automatically get called for the "charge" if he decides to drive . Unless Jamario plans on jumping over the player, they can attack the rim properly without drawing a charge everytime. Sometimes he might get called, but Moon still stands a better chance in scoring if he drives than he does shooting from long range at this point. He just needs to be a little more creative offensively. Once he develops a more consistent shot, then we don't need to have this discussion. But until then Moon has to learn how to create more for himself. Because offensively right now he isn't doing any favours for himself. :(

Bingo. I agree, but right now he isn't that kind of player. I think Sam already would have to know that and makes the plays thinking about it, and not thinking about what he wants Moon does. Moon isn't Kobe, guy can do what he can do, and I think dribbling isn't among his best skills.

Not that Moon is gonna make foul every time he goes to the rim, but you have to agree that the other teams aren't silly and they aren't going to let that Moon goes to the rim every time. And maybe Moon sees that before shooting. And of course, he will be wrong sometimes, but that happens with all the players.

We don't think so different, I think we are nearer to agree than disagree, I just don't think that all the fault of those shots is Moon's responsibility. ;)

moremilk 03-24-2008 01:01 PM

I think ball handling is also an issue with moon, he's not great in that area. I'm 100% that next season he will be a candidate for most improved player. And I'm 99% sure that we will not get an elite SF this summer, it makes no sense + there's no really good players available anyway. Colangelo will wait until the trade deadline to see what kind of team we are, and he will have the expiring contracts to work then. By then, there's bound to be an unhappy player wanting out and we could use rasho to get that player, assuming moon doesn't show enough improvement by then.

Superjudge 03-24-2008 01:26 PM

it isn't rocket science.

guys lay off him, so he can't drive, and they talke away the pass. So he has to shoot.

Until there's a better option to put out there, thats what ya get.

case closed.


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