Why all the man love for DD? - Page 2
Old 07-15-2010, 07:28 AM   #21 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 80,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ColangeloIsGod View Post
DeMar is 20 years old. Played better than Sonny last season. Has gotten to the line more than Sonny in the summer league, and has scored more than Sonny in the summer league. Sonny is a D-Leaguer, he's a back-up at best in this league. He's not even in the same universe in terms of offensive production and playmaking when put beside Barbosa. Colangelo was going to release him last year, he was traded for Roko Ukic for god sakes to balance out the deal in us getting Amir for Delfino.

:facepalm:
Demar played better then Weems last season? What were you watching? Weems is better then Demar as a shooter and as a defender.And as an overall athlete it's no contest, Weems>>>>Derozan. I don't know what to think of Demar yet, when he gets anyone contesting him at the rim he usually looks awful, he doesn't seem to have a great vertical and his defense/shot leaves something to be desired. Who knows what Demar can end up being, hard to say since he's only 20, but right now Weems is better.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 07:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Superjudge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 17,592
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by lonewolfpoet View Post
I don't understand all this craziness about DD, he has not proven a thing yet. Sonny has shown more than DD, both last season and so far in the summer league, but gets no love at all.

If I had to trade one or the other I would rather trade DD than Sonny.
Cuz we ain't got noting else.

It's what you do when ya cheer for crappy toronto teams!
Superjudge is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:00 AM   #23 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,066
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Demar played better then Weems last season? What were you watching? Weems is better then Demar as a shooter and as a defender.And as an overall athlete it's no contest, Weems>>>>Derozan. I don't know what to think of Demar yet, when he gets anyone contesting him at the rim he usually looks awful, he doesn't seem to have a great vertical and his defense/shot leaves something to be desired. Who knows what Demar can end up being, hard to say since he's only 20, but right now Weems is better.
Weems had a few good games that the fans remember.

On the whole, DeRozan played better D and was more consistent with his production. Also, DeRozan never really forces his offence while, when I watched Sonny last year, the second that ball hit his hands it was gone.

Like I've said before, Weems is a better version of Jamario Moon. A key word there is better, I don't want anyone to misconstrue my words. DeMar at 20 showed the ability to be a very good player in this league and has a greater ceiling already. Right now, it wouldn't even be close who I'd take. DD over Weems.
Claudius is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:16 AM   #24 (permalink)
landry fields forever

Administrator

 
Acie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Living in a van down by the river
Posts: 22,046
Representing:
Default

Can't we just enjoy them both?

It's like the beginning all over again of Bosh vs. Bargnani guard style.
Acie is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:18 AM   #25 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 80,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shifty.py View Post
Why ruin a perfect setup? If they are not shooting 3's they go inside and dunk the shit.
Demar is really good at getting to the line and finishing in traffic.
I would trust Sonny to bring ball up the floor. He improved the handles but could work on court vision.
Finishing in traffic? He constantly got blocked and seemed a little lost when getting contested at the rim and seemed to rarely get high enough. The one thing I was disapointed the most last season was his leaping ability/vertical.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:25 AM   #26 (permalink)
far away

Senior Member
 
archie63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Panama City
Posts: 981
Representing:
Default

let's enjoy both of them, but the problem is we're all cheering for two average players. For sure DD has an higher ceiling at least is 3 years younger
archie63 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:26 AM   #27 (permalink)
#NorthernUprising

6 Man Like Lou Will
 
js12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: T.O.
Posts: 5,666
Representing:
Default

I don't get why everyone is suddenly bashing Weems and/or DeRozan. They're both amazing athletes with good potential, we should feel lucky that we have both.
js12 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:32 AM   #28 (permalink)
Gam zeh ya'avor

The Gatekeeper
 
MikeToronto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 4,049
Representing:
Default

I liked Sonny more last season - to me, he played smarter, was better on D and used his athletic ability better as well. I have no idea about the ceiling and how one goes about determining its height, but i can see them continuing to develop together to the point in the future when it's going to be clear if either one is good enough to start at SG for a good team.
MikeToronto is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:34 AM   #29 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 80,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by js12 View Post
I don't get why everyone is suddenly bashing Weems and/or DeRozan. They're both amazing athletes with good potential, we should feel lucky that we have both.
I like them both. Neither will be a superstar anyway, but what I like about both are their attitudes. Both are good players, but not great. Both are young and enjoy playing together. I'm anxious to see them this season with possibly an expanded role. Should be fun.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:35 AM   #30 (permalink)
far away

Senior Member
 
archie63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Panama City
Posts: 981
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by js12 View Post
I don't get why everyone is suddenly bashing Weems and/or DeRozan. They're both amazing athletes with good potential, we should feel lucky that we have both.
I could agree if we had a solid starting player in that position so they could came off the bench.Imo DD is not ready yet to start. Developing a player is a good thing but not if you want to be a winning team
archie63 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:39 AM   #31 (permalink)
a newbie

Member
 
raptorchick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 143
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeToronto View Post
I liked Sonny more last season - to me, he played smarter, was better on D and used his athletic ability better as well. I have no idea about the ceiling and how one goes about determining its height, but i can see them continuing to develop together to the point in the future when it's going to be clear if either one is good enough to start at SG for a good team.
I thought DD might start at SF with Hedo gone and Barbosa here to play SG. Or would it be Weems or Amir at SF?
raptorchick is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:39 AM   #32 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 80,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeToronto View Post
I liked Sonny more last season - to me, he played smarter, was better on D and used his athletic ability better as well. I have no idea about the ceiling and how one goes about determining its height, but i can see them continuing to develop together to the point in the future when it's going to be clear if either one is good enough to start at SG for a good team.
Yeah, this ceiling talk is just that, talk. IMO Weems was better last season, so why is his ceiling lower? Because he's 23yrs old vs Derozan who is 21yrs old? His shot is more consistent and he's a better athlete and dfender at least at this point, so how is Demar's ceiling higher?
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 80,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by raptorchick View Post
I thought DD might start at SF with Hedo gone and Barbosa here to play SG. Or would it be Weems or Amir at SF?
Amir at SF? IMO you can't start both Weems and Derozan since neither is a 3pt threat. You gotta have either Kleiza or Barbosa starting because they can spread the floor a little.
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:47 AM   #34 (permalink)
#NorthernUprising

6 Man Like Lou Will
 
js12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: T.O.
Posts: 5,666
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Amir at SF? IMO you can't start both Weems and Derozan since neither is a 3pt threat. You gotta have either Kleiza or Barbosa starting because they can spread the floor a little.
I think with the roster as it is right now, Kleiza should start at the 3 and DeMar at the 2. Let Barbosa come off the bench, where he's most effective. We haven't had a solid scoring presence on the bench for so long.
js12 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:51 AM   #35 (permalink)
is the baby faced assassin

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 80,710
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by js12 View Post
I think with the roster as it is right now, Kleiza should start at the 3 and DeMar at the 2. Let Barbosa come off the bench, where he's most effective. We haven't had a solid scoring presence on the bench for so long.
If we can get a starting PG our bench would look great with JJ/Barbosa/Weems/Davis/?
jeffb is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:58 AM   #36 (permalink)
a newbie

Member
 
raptorchick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 143
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Amir at SF? IMO you can't start both Weems and Derozan since neither is a 3pt threat. You gotta have either Kleiza or Barbosa starting because they can spread the floor a little.
Ah, forgot about Kleiza tks.
raptorchick is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 08:58 AM   #37 (permalink)
-_-

=)
 
hontoni's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,420
Representing:
Default

Weems played better than Derozan in the last games. If Weems plays good like in the last games he did, i prefer Weems but Derozan played better than Weems if you look whole season.
hontoni is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 09:08 AM   #38 (permalink)
jonas smellandchewthis

Senior Member
 
thought's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,762
Representing:
Default

Athletically, there are things DeRozan does naturally every game that Sonny hasn't shown he can do, and that I don't think Sonny is even capable of.

DeRozan's body control is outstanding, just something like pulling off a spin move to get to the basket and being able to finish coming out of it shows the kind of tools this guy has. He's shown he can get in the air, take a hit, double-clutch, and still have the concentration to finish. I've never seen Sonny take a hit and have the body control to finish off the play smooth.
thought is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 09:16 AM   #39 (permalink)
a newbie

Member
 
raptorchick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 143
Representing:
Default

So what's DD's floor and ceiling? Say Gerald Green on the one hand and Gerald Wallace on the other and maybe Shannon Brown in the middle?
raptorchick is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2010, 09:18 AM   #40 (permalink)
jonas smellandchewthis

Senior Member
 
thought's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 4,762
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by raptorchick View Post
So what's DD's floor and ceiling? Say Gerald Green on the one hand and Gerald Wallace on the other and maybe Shannon Brown in the middle?
I don't think it's a stretch to say his ceiling is a Jason Richardson/Richard Jefferson kind of player. I love this kid's potential.
thought is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24