Who's the better rebounder?
Old 02-01-2011, 10:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Brook Lopez or Andrea Bargnani?

Look @ their per 36 and Bargnani actually outrebounds him.

Yet, many of us, drool over Lopez.
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i was noticing this the other day.
Lopez is actually a quite horrible rebounder. yet everyone was all over this kid and most still are, although he has been a big disappointment so far this season.
Bargnani can at least hit 3's and mid range jumpers, Lopez is supposed to be a banger and play down low, whats his excuse for not grabbing rebs?
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Brook Lopez or Andrea Bargnani?

Look @ their per 36 and Bargnani actually outrebounds him.

Yet, many of us, drool over Lopez.
I can't understand why Lopez is so coveted... the guy is soft and wants to be a shooter. Too much hype too soon.

Yea AB has looked brutal lately, but he's likely battling through injury.... he's not attacking on offence, and he's not defending at all. Something has to be wrong.
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I can't understand why Lopez is so coveted... the guy is soft and wants to be a shooter. Too much hype too soon.

Yea AB has looked brutal lately, but he's likely battling through injury.... he's not attacking on offence, and he's not defending at all. Something has to be wrong.
They're both terrible right now, but I'm just curious, why do you say he's battling through an injury? Why the excuse?
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They're both terrible right now, but I'm just curious, why do you say he's battling through an injury? Why the excuse?
I'm not saying it's an excuse, but I'm hoping it is.... the truth of the matter is that he has looked especially lazy on D lately, not giving any resistance to guys on the block... not bending, not pushing... nothing. I've seen him play much better for long stretches, but he just looks terrible lately. Not that long ago he was battling knee, hamstring issues.

On offence, his first step isn't getting him by guys like it usually does, he seems even more hesitant to drive than usual, his post moves are all but nonexistant lately and all start out some 12+ ft from the hoop.

It's not an excuse but more of a guess. I understand most will come back with "he never has defended or posted" but that's just BS. If I'm wrong, then we're alot farther off with this team than a three year build. Tank nation better brace for a 6-7 year build before we're consistently competitive.
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As a rebounder i'd still take Lopez over Bargnani.
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I'm not saying it's an excuse, but I'm hoping it is.... the truth of the matter is that he has looked especially lazy on D lately, not giving any resistance to guys on the block... not bending, not pushing... nothing. I've seen him play much better for long stretches, but he just looks terrible lately. Not that long ago he was battling knee, hamstring issues.

On offence, his first step isn't getting him by guys like it usually does, he seems even more hesitant to drive than usual, his post moves are all but nonexistant lately and all start out some 12+ ft from the hoop.

It's not an excuse but more of a guess. I understand most will come back with "he never has defended or posted" but that's just BS. If I'm wrong, then we're alot farther off with this team than a three year build. Tank nation better brace for a 6-7 year build before we're consistently competitive.
To me, I don't see it as an injury issue. If you look at rebounding for instance, it's all about positioning really. It's not leaping ability and jumping, it's about fighting for position. Getting demolished by Hibbert in the post, that's about pushing your man out and not letting him get to that position in the first place. That was Andrea setting up his defensive position, more often than not, too low time and time again. Does he even battle to front the post man?

Again, I see his offense about where he's starting it. He's still attacking but it's never with any conviction. It's all confidence with Bargnani.

Anyways, I'm still trying to figure out what actually happened to Lopez. He looked like a keeper awhile ago and now, he's just dismal.
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As a rebounder i'd still take Lopez over Bargnani.
Why?
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To me, I don't see it as an injury issue. If you look at rebounding for instance, it's all about positioning really. It's not leaping ability and jumping, it's about fighting for position. Getting demolished by Hibbert in the post, that's about pushing your man out and not letting him get to that position in the first place. That was Andrea setting up his defensive position, more often than not, too low time and time again. Does he even battle to front the post man?

Again, I see his offense about where he's starting it. He's still attacking but it's never with any conviction. It's all confidence with Bargnani.

Anyways, I'm still trying to figure out what actually happened to Lopez. He looked like a keeper awhile ago and now, he's just dismal.
you may be right, but Bargnani looks like he's not giving any resistance.... his hesitation seems (to me) tto be friom not having his regular explosion from his legs... just think it may be a knee issue.... I can't believe that his absolute disinterest over the last few games is completely unrelated. He looks like he's not even trying at all... that's not normal.
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Why?
He's already got a better track record as a rebounder then Bargnani and he seems to give a more consistent effort from what i've seen. His first two seasons he averaged over 8 rebounds in each season, that alone gives me the inclination to believe he's the better rebounder and will be more consistent in his career as a rebounder. Bargnani's best rpg in his career is 6.1. Pathetic!! Going by past performances and numbers it`s not even close. To use Raptor123 logic (i`m reluctant to do so but...) Lopez worst season is Bargs best as rebounders.

Last 3 seasons:

Bargs
5.3rpg (32mpg)
6.1rpg (35mpg)
5.6rpg (36mpg)

Lopez
8.1rpg (31mpg)
8.7rpg (37mpg)
5.7rpg (34mpg)

Lopez>>>>>>>>>>>Bargnani


Especially considering Lopez is almost 3yrs younger.

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He's already got a better track record as a rebounder then Bargnani and he seems to give a more consistent effort from what i've seen. His first two seasons he averaged over 8 rebounds in each season, that alone gives me the inclination to believe he's the better rebounder and will be more consistent in his career as a rebounder. Bargnani's best rpg in his career is 6.1. Pathetic!! Going by past performances and numbers it`s not even close. To use Raptor123 logic (i`m reluctant to do so but...) Lopez worst season is Bargs best as rebounders.

Last 3 seasons:

Bargs
5.3rpg (32mpg)
6.1rpg (35mpg)
5.6rpg (36mpg)

Lopez
8.1rpg (31mpg)
8.7rpg (37mpg)
5.7rpg (34mpg)

Lopez>>>>>>>>>>>Bargnani


Especially considering Lopez is almost 3yrs younger.
judging by this year, they're both poor rebounders. You're stuck in the past man.
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judging by this year, they're both poor rebounders. You're stuck in the past man.
not stuck in the past, one has shown he can rebound, the other never has done so. he's a better rebounder then bargnani. and lopez is only 22, can't say he's a bad rebounder based on just a half season with his track record. that would be norrow minded.
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not stuck in the past, one has shown he can rebound, the other never has done so. he's a better rebounder then bargnani. and lopez is only 22, can't say he's a bad rebounder based on just a half season with his track record. that would be norrow minded.
track record? dude was part of the third worst team in history... lol

of course there were extra boards, that team missed alot of shots.
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track record? dude was part of the third worst team in history... lol

of course there were extra boards, that team missed alot of shots.
Well then Bargnani's rebounds should be around 8 per this season since we're the third worst team in the league and we miss a lot of shots.

Lopez first season NJ won 34 games and he pulled down 8.1 rebounds per @ 20yrs old. So it's not just on a team that was the 3rd worst in history.

By your logic Bargnani should be pulling down boards left and right.

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Well then Bargnani's rebounds should be around 8 per this season since we're the third worst team in the league and we miss a lot of shots.
we're alot better than they were that year... so around 6 is about right. lol
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we're alot better than they were that year... so around 6 is about right. lol
No it's not. Overall i'd take Lopez over Bargnani right now.

Lopez first season NJ won 34 games and he pulled down 8.1 rebounds per @ 20yrs old. So it's not just on a team that was the 3rd worst in history.
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No it's not. Overall i'd take Lopez over Bargnani right now.

Lopez first season NJ won 34 games and he pulled down 8.1 rebounds per @ 20yrs old. So it's not just on a team that was the 3rd worst in history.
by your logic, Vin Baker would have been a hall of famer... lol

jokes man, relax.
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At least Lopez plays like a real big and shows potential to improve. He has averaged around 8 rebounds a game.
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Lopez has a worse effective fg percentage as well, if I'm not mistaken, and there aren't many bigs that can say that. I'd take Robin over Brook any day.
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Lopez has a worse effective fg percentage as well, if I'm not mistaken, and there aren't many bigs that can say that. I'd take Robin over Brook any day.
Robin seems to have fallen out of favour as well.... what gives with him?
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