Who will have a better season DeRozan or Belinelli?
Old 07-30-2009, 06:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who will have a better season DeRozan or Belinelli?

With BC's recent moves I was wondering who will have the better
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Old 07-30-2009, 06:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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To be honest, I don't care who has the better season, as long as they meet the team's expectations.
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Old 07-30-2009, 06:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Depends how the minutes are distributed.
With the player getting more mins, looking better.
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Old 07-30-2009, 06:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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one is 23, and one is 19, they both will grow and expectations of 10 ppg for both would be realistic given the minutes they will play! more is better, but if either gets to 15 ppg+ this team will win a lot of games....
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I like this moves by BC, we just need to win now!
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Old 07-30-2009, 06:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think B has it for sure. Not only has he been in the L for two seasons now, if you compare his stats from his first yr to his second, there are some big jumps. A nice continuation of his development and stats is more likely. What's more is that DD will be a good player in a few yrs. All he really has for experience is the No D league games; which he was good in, but not a show stopper. I'd like to see B get more mins than DD, as it's crucial in this stage of his development to be playing mins. DD needs mins too, but he needs to get acclimated slowly, and put countless hrs in the gym first. I'd love to see 15 ppg, 4-5 reb, for B, and 8-10ppg, 3-5 reb for DD. Those would be some solid contributions for the young guns.

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I see Bellinelli getting about 10 PPG with his role on the team. DeRozan on the other hand, I highly doubt will get over 5 PPG. Triano may give him chance after chance to progress in the pros and work on his overall game. However, as the season goes along, I just don't see him getting lots of minutes. I think Raps fans are expecting way too much from a 19 year old. He'll make his mark in the NBA soon enough, but it definitely won't be this season. Heck, Kobe started at 7 PPG 15 Mins/G and that's Kobe. Expecting any more out of DeRozan would probably just hinder his development.

Go with Belinelli and Wright and develop DD slowly. No sense in rushing him and ruining his confidence.
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I see Bellinelli getting about 10 PPG with his role on the team. DeRozan on the other hand, I highly doubt will get over 5 PPG. Triano may give him chance after chance to progress in the pros and work on his overall game. However, as the season goes along, I just don't see him getting lots of minutes. I think Raps fans are expecting way too much from a 19 year old. He'll make his mark in the NBA soon enough, but it definitely won't be this season. Heck, Kobe started at 7 PPG 15 Mins/G and that's Kobe. Expecting any more out of DeRozan would probably just hinder his development.

Go with Belinelli and Wright and develop DD slowly. No sense in rushing him and ruining his confidence.
What is that based on? I wouldn't say DeRozan is 100% NBA ready but he's got the best size, best athleticism and best defense at his position in this draft. He's really that energy guy that will come up with those big plays like the dunks on the fast break, the defensive charges, the open court blocks, etc. Sure, he may not flourish in the first half of the NBA season the way we wanted him too but you can't teach size and athleticism and that's what he's got. He can definitely contribute to this team and it would be a joke for him to only play 5 minutes a game.
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What is that based on? I wouldn't say DeRozan is 100% NBA ready but he's got the best size, best athleticism and best defense at his position in this draft. He's really that energy guy that will come up with those big plays like the dunks on the fast break, the defensive charges, the open court blocks, etc. Sure, he may not flourish in the first half of the NBA season the way we wanted him too but you can't teach size and athleticism and that's what he's got. He can definitely contribute to this team and it would be a joke for him to only play 5 minutes a game.
Differences in opinions and expectations I guess....

I mean, we drafted Joey Graham over Danny Granger because of "athleticism" as well. Graham was supposed to be the best athlete of his draft. Great. That all looks good on paper until we see the player perform. You can teach athleticism. You can't hone the rare type of skill Granger has.
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Belinelli, if all goes well, will be a go-to scorer off the bench, a la younger Dell Curry. DD, on the other hand, will be counted on to provide defence, rebounding and work on his overall game in his first year in the league as his ceiling is potentially much higher than Beli's due to his superior athletic abilities. So, statistically, I believe Beli will have a better season, but stats are not everything.
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Differences in opinions and expectations I guess....

I mean, we drafted Joey Graham over Danny Granger because of "athleticism" as well. Graham was supposed to be the best athlete of his draft. Great. That all looks good on paper until we see the player perform. You can teach athleticism. You can't hone the rare type of skill Granger has.
Sorry, but you can't teach athleticism. I wish I could "learn" to be more athletic when I was younger...
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Sorry, but you can't teach athleticism. I wish I could "learn" to be more athletic when I was younger...
I'm still trying to figure out a way
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Sorry, but you can't teach athleticism. I wish I could "learn" to be more athletic when I was younger...
Meh i think that's debateable. I improved my vertical by a good foot in highschool. By my senior year I was dunking on 6'3 players and i'm only 5'11. This was all done with jumping drills and weights. Perhaps i worded it wrong. You can't teach athleticism per se, if the player doesn't have the work ethic to improve his abilities.
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it's easy to improve it at 14-15, much harder at 22 and impossible at 28.
and you can teach skills to a guy who has a brain ...
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Belinelli, if all goes well, will be a go-to scorer off the bench, a la younger Dell Curry. DD, on the other hand, will be counted on to provide defence, rebounding and work on his overall game in his first year in the league as his ceiling is potentially much higher than Beli's due to his superior athletic abilities. So, statistically, I believe Beli will have a better season, but stats are not everything.
Agreed.

Let's remember too that DD is a rook... he's not going to get a lot of those calls defensively.

Belli has more experience though and he'll have the chance to score and dish so I'd go with him.
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I think B has it for sure. Not only has he been in the L for two seasons now, if you compare his stats from his first yr to his second, there are some big jumps. A nice continuation of his development and stats is more likely. What's more is that DD will be a good player in a few yrs. All he really has for experience is the No D league games; which he was good in, but not a show stopper. I'd like to see B get more mins than DD, as it's crucial in this stage of his development to be playing mins. DD needs mins too, but he needs to get acclimated slowly, and put countless hrs in the gym first. I'd love to see 15 ppg, 4-5 reb, for B, and 8-10ppg, 3-5 reb for DD. Those would be some solid contributions for the young guns.

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Those are good points but I think you have to look beyond just the stat improvement, though. Belinelli's PER48 mins stats are almost identical in the first and second seasons, so it's hard to say that he made great progress in his game: he just got more minutes.

Having said that, I do think he could fit well into our system. He is a great shooter and because we have so many other weapons on the floor, he should be able to get a lot of shots when guys like Bosh or Hedo get double-teamed. I doubt that he will be an impact player though. He plays smart and could fill in either the one or the two spot, but his defense is subpar. I just don't see where he fits in...
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:12 AM   #18 (permalink)
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IMO i have to say Belinelli
don't get me wrong, i think DD is going to be a great player
but we have to let him grow into it. he's not going to be a superstar immediately
don't expect too much of him too quickly and he'll do just fine
don't give him so much pressure
belinelli has some experience and i trust he'll play well on toronto.
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