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Old 04-26-2008, 06:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I dunno why I posted this on eb instead of here since theres more traffic and discussion here, stupid decision just like the Raptors 4th qtr


IMO: Jose, Moon, Parker(expendable though), Kapono, Bosh, Rasho, Bargs(one more year) stay.

I've never been a big fan of Delfino with his shot selection and bad help defence, and Hedo blew by him at will most of this series. I'm not sold on keeping him especially if he wants near MLE and we do indeed get a 2nd scorer which will then make Parker or Moon a bench player, preferably Parker.

Anyone else? Humps is inconsistant and is just plain dumb, and Brezec, Baston, Graham are bench fodder.

And although I still like Ford, from everything I've heard from BC(reading between the lines) hes a goner.

Heres hoping we get that 2nd scorer and improve our toughness/athleticism off the bench(REGGIE EVANS baby)
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Old 04-26-2008, 06:14 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Its not over yet Thriller, but for the sake of the discussion I'd keep only 3 forsure: Jose, Moon & Bosh. Jose and Bosh, well do I need to explain and Moon because he's still cheap and still has more growth for improvement and I think will be an important part of this team for years to come.

Other than those 3, I could care less what happens. Albeit Kapono playing the best basketball in his career right now, his stock couldn't be any higher and can be dangled along with Ford to help fill some much needed voids on this team.
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Old 04-26-2008, 06:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Jose and Bosh are the players we're building around, the rest is just picking and choosing. Bargnani will get one more year (pretty much guaranteed with his summer plan, plus I think we need to give him a little more time), Moon and Parker are solid bench players, Rasho we could keep as an expiring contract for the trade deadline.

The rest, I dunno. TJ's probably gone, he's played well during these playoffs so hopefully his value is decent, but I assume we owe Jose to be the full time man next year and end this drama, we're not gonna start the year with him still on the bench and obviously TJ's not going back. I like Kapono but like Dr. J said we could get something good for him. Delfino, I don't really like him much, I'd rather not.

I agree with thriller about getting a 2nd wing player and putting Parker on the bench, where he could play a Stackhouse like role.

I would like to get rid of Smitch, but I expect it won't happen till at least a couple months into next year.
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Old 04-26-2008, 07:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Stay -- Bosh, Jose, Bargs, Garbajosa and Moon

Everyone else is expendable imo.

Moon does some real nice things and I'm impressed to how he's improved over the year. Garbo is a great defender, adds toughness and grit and I honestly believe we miss him more than we think.

Everyone else has trade value and is expendable. Kapono, as much as I love him, should be on a championship calibre team. We're not there yet. He would fit in nicely with the Lakers when I think about it. TJ, I like what I see from him, I actually love his game but if I had to choose a PG I want to keep it would be Jose. I look to Dallas to make a deal. Delfino, again I like his attitude, but in reality, I want a guy who will be on the wing and be a bit more consistent. And something is up with Parker and I think his age is showing.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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As much as I'd like to be optimistic, I think Garbo's career is over. It's going to be tough for him to come back healthy. Even if he does comes back, I think he'll be little use from here on out. Just a gut feeling.
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I dont think garbo will have problems to be healthy, I think he will have problems to find minutes seeing how Sam treated him in the beginning of this season.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:29 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure Sam would've played him more had he not obviously still been hurt.
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:36 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Old 04-27-2008, 08:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Bryan mentioned the other day that Bargnani is the piece we will build around, so I think it's safe to say that he will stay. Since we need a good pg, Jose is also safe. Kapono proved how valuable he can be when he gets minutes, so he's a lock too. Moon is a no-brainer at his salary. I think Bosh will get one more year - if we don't perform, he has to go, especially if Bargnani develops his offense enough to compensate losing 22 ppg.

Delfino will only stay if he accepts ~3 million/yr. TJ is guaranted to leave and Rasho and Joey are expiring, so they will be used in trades. The rest are going to stay, not that it makes any difference.

As for coaching, if Bryan feels that MLSE will not go crazy if Sam goes, then we'll probably get a new coach too. Although he might want to keep Sam, just in case we screw up next season - so we have somebody to blame if that happens.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Kapono proved how valuable he can be when he gets minutes, so he's a lock too.
Not necessarily milk. If there's anyone on this roster who's stock is relatively high right now besides Jose's, its Kapono's. We have some big voids to fill most notably at SG/SF so Kapono as much as his contract is might be apart of such a deal (likely packaged with Ford possibly) that would help us acquire the type of player we need to help Bosh and the Raps out next season. So I wouldn't say he's a lock for next season at all. JMO
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Thing is, we're most likely to get our SF from a non-contending team, who would have little use for Kapono. Kapono is only attractive to top teams, who would never trade a key piece. If we can get a star SF for Kapono and rasho, I think Bryan would do it without hesitation, but I don't think so.

If you think about it, the most logical choice at SF would be Marion. He would be perfect for us, because he's such a good defensive player that can cover even some pgs. Going forward, our most logical competitors in the next 3-4 seasons would be Lebron, Howard, Garnett/Pierce and Butler/Jamison. Hopefully Bargnani would develop enough so he can take on Howard, and Marion would be able to keep the other 3 in check. And he could give us way more offense that Moon would ever be able to. Plus, he has a relation with Bryan and Miami doesn't really wants to keep him. Plus, he has something to prove yet. Maybe we could package our pick, Rasho and TJ for Haslem and Marion - that would really be a killer combination.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Only problem is that Marion wants top dollar and likely more than Bosh, so for that alone I don't think he'll be a Raptor anytime soon. Don't get me wrong because I love the Matrix, but I think its more a pipe dream than reality. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:35 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Marions attitude about wanting a bigger role on offence turned me off. He'd rather be on the worst team in the league than playing with Nash and Amare so he could have a bigger role? I dont really want Marion.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:36 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I know he wants - and it's gamble because of his age. On the other hand - you're going to get a top player, one of the best all-around players in the league. In all honesty, if Lewis gets 20, I have no problem in paying Marion 15-16 (I don't think he will ask for more - especially that he has a good relation with Bryan). Unless he's dellusional, he must realize that he will never get 20 at his age.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Marions attitude about wanting a bigger role on offence turned me off. He'd rather be on the worst team in the league than playing with Nash and Amare so he could have a bigger role? I dont really want Marion.
But he will get a bigger role here. Come to think about it, requesting a bigger role is not necessarily a bad thing. He would be the top player on our team, I don't think Bosh would have a problem deferring to him. He's not perfect - but then again, he is available and addresses many of our biggest problems. Are his flaws that significant? Would you rather have Artest? Kirilenko? Josh Smith?
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Ugh ... I don't think playing second fiddle to someone like Marion would sit well with Bosh in my opinion and likely only cause internal turmoil amongst the team. We'll see though, but Bosh has made it pretty clear that he's the "franchise" (I say that losely because I don't think he's a franchise type player) and I'm sure he wants it to remain that way. If Marion wants to play a bigger role and then sobeit, I just don't want there to be a power struggle on this team.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:48 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yes yes and yes. If Bosh deferred to Marion I think we'd all kill ourselves. Have you seen Marion on offence trying to create for himself?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:52 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I think Marion's problems were not offense-related. He was mostly concerned that he doesn't get enough "respect". In Phoenix he was seen as the third best player, here he might be considered the best. I think that's what he really wants, not necessarily to be a first option on offense.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:54 PM   #20 (permalink)
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and if Bosh feels that way, I have no problem trading him. Bosh is a lousy franchise player, he is a liability on defense when he should be an anchor down low. I think it's time for Bosh to take a good look at himself and spend some time this summer improving some of his weaknesses.
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