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Kyrie Irving 41 61.19%
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Jared Sullinger 3 4.48%
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:14 PM   #121 (permalink)
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what about SF? We have Jose and Bayless at PG
Enough said lol.

Jose is aging, and Bayless is not ready to be a consistent contributor.
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Enough said lol.

Jose is aging, and Bayless is not ready to be a consistent contributor.
but seriously, why is PG worse off than SF?

aging?> he's 29. Bayless? we're not competing for two years
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but seriously, why is PG worse off than SF?

aging?> he's 29. Bayless? we're not competing for two years
PGs are hard to come by.

There's only a few point guards that are legit stars.

Our point guard situation is uncertain. Calderon is not a great defender, and is not a the type of player that takes over games. Bayless has been inconsitent; he shoots and misses way too much and is turnover-prone. I don't feel confident with either player.
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PGs are hard to come by.

There's only a few point guards that are legit stars.

Our point guard situation is uncertain. Calderon is not a great defender, and is not a the type of player that takes over games. Bayless has been inconsitent; he shoots and misses way too much and is turnover-prone. I don't feel confident with either player.
SF's have been hard to come by too..... Calderon is good enough for the next two years while we continue to rebuild... unless we find a taker, if not, it's too crowded
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SF's have been hard to come by too..... Calderon is good enough for the next two years while we continue to rebuild... unless we find a taker, if not, it's too crowded
Basically stars are hard to come by.

But my point is that a point guard is more important than a small forward, if you're going to rebuild. Unless you get a LeBron-type player, point guards make everyone around them better. Think of Steve Nash- he made everyone around him look like a star (Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, Shawn Marion, etc.).
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Old 02-15-2011, 10:31 PM   #126 (permalink)
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SF's have been hard to come by too..... Calderon is good enough for the next two years while we continue to rebuild... unless we find a taker, if not, it's too crowded
IMO a rebuilding team has resolve their PG position at the begining b/c it's the hardest position to learn at the NBA level aside from the Center position maybe. And is the most important position on the team. You rebuild, don't do it with an aging PG who can't defend.
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Basically stars are hard to come by.

But my point is that a point guard is more important than a small forward, if you're going to rebuild. Unless you get a LeBron-type player, point guards make everyone around them better. Think of Steve Nash- he made everyone around him look like a star (Boris Diaw, Leandro Barbosa, Shawn Marion, etc.).
yeah, so we better not be getting a combo guard like kyrie seems to be...
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IMO a rebuilding team has resolve their PG position at the begining b/c it's the hardest position to learn at the NBA level aside from the Center position maybe. And is the most important position on the team. You rebuild, don't do it with an aging PG who can't defend.
I think too many are taking a far too near sighted approach... we're years away... and I've seen alot of young pg's succeed early
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Get the best player available. Who cares what position they play. That's for the coach to worry about in terms of how to integrate the player.

Talent wins and it's not like we're rich in talent.
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Get the best player available. Who cares what position they play. That's for the coach to worry about in terms of how to integrate the player.

Talent wins and it's not like we're rich in talent.
This is exactly the approach to be taken. We're going to need more than just a top 5 pick in this draft to build towards a winner.
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IMO a rebuilding team has resolve their PG position at the begining b/c it's the hardest position to learn at the NBA level aside from the Center position maybe. And is the most important position on the team. You rebuild, don't do it with an aging PG who can't defend.
Who says were rebuilding with Jose? Were rebuilding with Bayless.
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Who says were rebuilding with Jose? Were rebuilding with Bayless.
Yep, we WERE rebuilding with Bayless until we realized he's a combo guard who's best situated to play as a 2 in a back up role.
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Yep, we WERE rebuilding with Bayless until we realized he's a combo guard who's best situated to play as a 2 in a back up role.
Whats wrong with a combo guard? He still gets his teammates involved. This league is run by combo guards.. people are begging to get guys like stephen curry or johnny flynn here, they are both combo guards as well.
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Whats wrong with a combo guard? He still gets his teammates involved. This league is run by combo guards.. people are begging to get guys like stephen curry or johnny flynn here, they are both combo guards as well.
And look at how GREAT those teams are doing.....let's strive to be the next Golden State and Minnesota!!!! Whoooo!!!!!

The best thing about Bayless is his desire to win. That's his best quality. His worst quality? Not knowing when to pass and when to shoot. That's an instinct and I don't know how you re-wire instinct.
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yeah, so we better not be getting a combo guard like kyrie seems to be...
lolwut? Kyrie is a pure PG. He can dribble the really well, has great passing and offensive instincts and can break down defense. Bayless is a combo guard who doesn't know when to pass or shoot and doesn't make his teammates better unlike Kyrie.

Bayless is like Barbosa IMO. He could be a useful 6th man of the bench but if he is a guy you are building around, then your team will most likely suck.
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And look at how GREAT those teams are doing.....let's strive to be the next Golden State and Minnesota!!!! Whoooo!!!!!

The best thing about Bayless is his desire to win. That's his best quality. His worst quality? Not knowing when to pass and when to shoot. That's an instinct and I don't know how you re-wire instinct.
I read so much about how important chemistry is, how teams need to be kept together, grow together, learn the system.... and you discount Bayless as a pg because something is an 'instinct' thing? I find it hard to agree. He hasn't even been here a full year, before which he wasn't playing consistent minutes and has shown flashes of doing the correct instinct things you speak of. I'm not advocating that he absolutely is the pg of the future, but I think you're instictively negating the fact that players can grow and improve and Bayless has a strong pedigree and skillset to build upon.
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I read so much about how important chemistry is, how teams need to be kept together, grow together, learn the system.... and you discount Bayless as a pg because something is an 'instinct' thing? I find it hard to agree. He hasn't even been here a full year, before which he wasn't playing consistent minutes and has shown flashes of doing the correct instinct things you speak of. I'm not advocating that he absolutely is the pg of the future, but I think you're instictively negating the fact that players can grow and improve and Bayless has a strong pedigree and skillset to build upon.
What I'm arguing is that Bayless knows how to score more so than knowing how to get teammates to score. His instinct is, when he can beat his man and score, he'll do it. That's a really hard thing to re-wire.

It's an instinct to know how to get your teammates open looks. How to keep them ALL involved etc.

I'm not saying Bayless is a bad player. What I am saying is that he'll always have a scorer's mentality and I don't know if that's what I want from the PG position.
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What I'm arguing is that Bayless knows how to score more so than knowing how to get teammates to score. His instinct is, when he can beat his man and score, he'll do it. That's a really hard thing to re-wire.

It's an instinct to know how to get your teammates open looks. How to keep them ALL involved etc.

I'm not saying Bayless is a bad player. What I am saying is that he'll always have a scorer's mentality and I don't know if that's what I want from the PG position.
I don't mind that argument, but I think it's too early to know if with greater understanding of the teammates and playbook that he can't become more of a PG

I do like his defensive ability though at the pg spot which is pretty important.
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If Kyrie is available when we draft then we need to take him. He's the best player in the draft IMO. Jose is gone as soon as we can get rid of him and Bayless isn't a starter. Our young players, Davis, Amir, and DD need a pg who can break guys down off the dribble and create on the offensive side. Kyrie is that player.

Other teams know this as well. Kyrie will go in the top 3 if he comes out this year (and I doubt that he falls to 3). The only way we end up with him is by doing well in the lottery.
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Whats wrong with a combo guard? He still gets his teammates involved. This league is run by combo guards.. people are begging to get guys like stephen curry or johnny flynn here, they are both combo guards as well.
if we're trying to get PGs like flynn then we've already failed, flynn is terrible, he would be a downgrade to jose

like i said before, we get the best player we can get, but we also hope that player is a PG

forget the SF if we think that demar is truly our future at the wing position
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