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Old 10-16-2011, 10:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Don't miss this game at all. Don't miss watching the Raptor's at all. It's hockey, baseball, and football right now and i am loving it. All these egotisical basketball players can bring their talents to the unemployment line. Back to the streets were they play street ball.That my 2 cents about whats going on. Just found out that i can indeed survive without my Raptors and continue to enjoy my sports fix.
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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pretty much. i don't think they (the players) have any clue what a total fuck-up this is.
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:14 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Most basketball fans care. I'm one of them, but really we can all survive....it's a sport. I'll be there when it comes back, front and center. In the meantime I'll start getting into college ball soon enough and will enjoy the world series + HBO/reg tv. BTW, you don't miss your boyfriend....even a little? Lol
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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pretty much. i don't think they (the players) have any clue what a total fuck-up this is.
I don't think that makes the situation any better for the owners, even if they get their way.

I really care. I love the game. This could be a terrible setback to a game that has already been gradually eroded in quality over the last 20 years. I recognize that it's a business, but if that's all there is to it, then there's just no lifeblood.
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Eroded in quality? Hmmm, at least the last couple years the quality imo has been great, especially the last two playoffs. Great drama! Anyway, like any other lockout, you watch other sports or more movies or TV and fans of the game will be there when it comes back, some fringe fans will likely be lost but the league will be fine especially once the playoffs roll around. It's by far my favourite sport and I care but I'll survive.
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:59 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I would agree that the entertainment level has improved recently, and the quality of teams saw some real improvement last season. But mostly there has just been an increasing level of mediocrity. With everything evened out more, that can provide some good drama, but not heightened to levels seen before. Once you take away the stars on their way out, and add in the damage done to the current stars by this thing, you can see where interest will be hard to garner among casual fans, and wane among diehard fans to some extent. And I'm not sure if this league can afford to take a hit at the corporate level like any other sport could. We've seen Stern working for years to improve the image of the league among the suits, and now he is practically inviting them to just find somewhere else to park their money.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:14 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, I am a basketball fan, but there is a lot of sports out there...
I am watching football (soccer), but it's only one game per week.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:45 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I've been enjoying the free NHL Centre Ice.

I've seen every Bruins game so far.

They've also been showing some pretty far out Hardwood Classics on NBA TV.

The Wizards/Warriors '75 Finals, the Nuggest/Spurs from '85, etc.
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Old 10-16-2011, 12:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I know I don't care. Hell, if I could, I'd just go play ball instead of watching anyhow.

This is a stupid little war they are waging, but clearly we all saw this no????

I know I did, hence, I am not at all bothered or surprised. Besides, Toronto, our real excitement is a year away in Euro land.
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Old 10-16-2011, 07:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Let's see:

- I myself am a better GM than most GM's currently in the league, and thus my NBA Live Season Mode would provide better overall entertainment than the league overall has provided the past 4-5yrs (and regardless of our disagreements, most of you can truly say the same things for yourself; simply don't let the offering of kickbacks & half-assed promises from these agents that appeal to greed have any pull on you, and thus your passion for ball, passion to see people as people instead of dollar $ign$, would already make you better than the GMs bringing the league down, like Bryan Colangelo & David Kahn - to name only a few, of course).

-In all my 21yrs of watching ball, my greatest memory happend in April-May-June 2011 in watching the Dallas Mavericks 10-11 playoff run, pinnacled by beating Team Steroid in the Finals. I love that this memory is still the last on-court thing people remember; this right in the face of the bullshit media downplaying the fact that Dirk & co. juss made for the most spectacular upset in NBA Finals history. There is no NBA ball on the horizon wherewith they can further downplay this, so I'm happy on this point as well.

-I don't have to sift through all the bullshit games coming from all sides in the media from the past few years and will simply relax instead.
-My time is now more flexible regarding how & when I work out.
-More time to thoroughly enjoy my other interests.

So I don't care.
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Duuuuude...Move to Oregon bro. It rains so much up here the walls inside the house get soaked. You can't go outside in the winter because you could drown.

NBA basketball saves Oregonians lives, and that's all that needs to be said.
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Most spectacular upset in NBA history? No...
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Old 10-16-2011, 08:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You're asking a basketball forum if we care that there's no basketball?
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:20 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Old 10-17-2011, 08:04 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Most spectacular upset in NBA history? No...
Name another time in NBA Finals history where a team with three (not one, not two; but three) 24+ ppg scorers all under 30yrs of age, each a way above average athlete at their positions, each a multidimensional player, playing with a full deck (all their roleplayers were available, and they all fit their system) lost to a team with a 30+ year old superstar who was continually knocked for this reason & that reason right up until the 10-11 Finals, was surrounded by a bunch of overlooked roleplayers (and the one who wasn't overlooked, Jason Kidd, was 38yrs old and hasn't been a scorer in 7yrs!) and didn't even have his 2nd best scorer, Caron Butler, available for the whole series?

That Lebitch Heat team is the most talked about team ever, simply due to the sheer amount of superstar talent and good roleplayers around them, and they got bounced on their home floor by a team that has suffered the most bitter type of playoff exits in each of the previous 5yrs, being bounced in the 1st Rd in 3 of the previous 4yrs at that.

And that's only what's on face value.

The only other one that comes close is the Pistons over the Lakers in 2004. But the 10-11 Lebitch Heat were, IMHO, a much better team than the 03-04 Lakers. Thus as far as I'm concerned, the 10-11 Mavericks are the greatest upset team in NBA Finals history.

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Old 10-17-2011, 09:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Biggest NBA Finals upsets - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
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Old 10-17-2011, 09:28 PM   #17 (permalink)
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That Portland win listed in Acie's link made me into a fan of the game for keeps. And I always remember the pistons winning in a sweep over the lakers. It might as well have been.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:12 PM   #18 (permalink)
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sweet article but anyone think kobe was in the same situation in 2004 like what lebron was in at the start of the 2011 season
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:37 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Name another time in NBA Finals history where a team with three (not one, not two; but three) 24+ ppg scorers all under 30yrs of age, each a way above average athlete at their positions, each a multidimensional player, playing with a full deck (all their roleplayers were available, and they all fit their system) lost to a team with a 30+ year old superstar who was continually knocked for this reason & that reason right up until the 10-11 Finals, was surrounded by a bunch of overlooked roleplayers (and the one who wasn't overlooked, Jason Kidd, was 38yrs old and hasn't been a scorer in 7yrs!) and didn't even have his 2nd best scorer, Caron Butler, available for the whole series?

That Lebitch Heat team is the most talked about team ever, simply due to the sheer amount of superstar talent and good roleplayers around them, and they got bounced on their home floor by a team that has suffered the most bitter type of playoff exits in each of the previous 5yrs, being bounced in the 1st Rd in 3 of the previous 4yrs at that.

And that's only what's on face value.

The only other one that comes close is the Pistons over the Lakers in 2004. But the 10-11 Lebitch Heat were, IMHO, a much better team than the 03-04 Lakers. Thus as far as I'm concerned, the 10-11 Mavericks are the greatest upset team in NBA Finals history.
With all due respect the Mavs didn't exactly have a cakewalk to the finals.... so they weren't exactly a bad team.

They beat the Spurs (best record in the WC)

They swept the Lakers (defending champs)

They beat the Thunder (with the league's top scorer)


They were a VERY good team that finally figured out how surround Dirk with the appropriate talent. The acquisitions of Chandler and Marion were HUGE for them and made them a much better team than they had ever been before. Couple that with a core that had been in place for a few years and an established system (plus added motivation from what happened in 2006) and you have a recipe for success.

Personally, I think that it would have been a monumental upset if the HEAT had won it all, considering that was their first year together.
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:37 PM   #20 (permalink)
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NBA management believes negotiations with the players changed when Kevin Garnett entered the negotiating room on Oct. 4.

Sources say Garnett was 'defiant, determined and downright ornery.'

As one league official said, “We were making progress, until Garnett [expletive] everything up.”

Regardless of how long the lockout lasts, it will be the players and not the owners that bring the NBA positive publicity again after the labor dispute is settled.

"We can’t have completely poisoned waters here when this is over,” one front-office executive said. “Stern gets that, but I’m not sure all of our owners do. We have to have these guys on board, or where are we as a league?”

Read more: NBA Official Progress Was Being Made Until Garnett Entered Room - RealGM Wiretap
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