Where would Raps have been without Jose?
Old 11-18-2012, 05:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Could the people who were oh so vehemently clamoring for the trade of Jose Calderon over the summer please stand up and eat some crow? 'Cause if you ever thought for a second that John Lucas Whatever His Number is capable of running an NBA team, it should be clear to everyone by now that he is good at chucking and not much else. On the other hand, Jose (once again) is rising above the petty injustices and injuries and is leading the team to the best of his abilities.

All I want is some recognition and some contrition. And yes, him re-signing this coming off-season and retiring as a Raptor, with Ocho proudly hanging from those bare basketball rafters.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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fantastic thread, fantastic point.
jose is untradeable IMO...
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probably 2-8.
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probably 2-8.
Would have lost today and the game in Indiana.

1-9
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Would have lost today and the game in Indiana.

1-9
doubtful.

but any team that loses its best player better have a good backup if they don't want to lose games.

this is such a ridiculous thread: we should have known that our starter would get a bone bruise in the first few games, so all the people who said it might be a good idea to try to get a good wing out of jose's talent and his expiring contract are fools now that we had an unpredictable injury and are getting good use out of a previously somewhat redundant guy. come off it. that's nonsense.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:25 PM   #6 (permalink)
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doubtful.

but any team that loses its best player better have a good backup if they don't want to lose games.

this is such a ridiculous thread: we should have known that our starter would get a bone bruise in the first few games, so all the people who said it might be a good idea to try to get a good wing out of jose's talent and his expiring contract are fools now that we had an unpredictable injury and are getting good use out of a previously somewhat redundant guy. come off it. that's nonsense.
Of course it is. On a team with no stars and few NBA-quality players, none of whom is capable of manufacturing offense out of isos, the importance of having quality backup point guard is vastly overstated. True dat.
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Of course it is. On a team with no stars and few NBA-quality players, none of whom is capable of manufacturing offense out of isos, the importance of having quality backup point guard is vastly overstated. True dat.
not more important than a starting wing, which is what almost everyone wanted to trade jose for. nice try homeboy.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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not more important than a starting wing, which is what almost everyone wanted to trade jose for. nice try homeboy.
Yes, more important, because the drop-off in play between, say, DeRozan and Kleiza or Ross is far less than between Lowry/Calderon and Lucas or Udoh, and also because PGs are much more important to an impotent offensive team like the Raptors.

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Old 11-18-2012, 05:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with trane, who could have predicted lowery would have got injured? The people who wanted to trade him wanted to fill something we were missing. I don't think anyone wanted to trade him because they believed he lacked talent. I for one still want to trade him if lowery comes back in good form, his stock right now is through the roof, sell-high imo.

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Yes, more important, because the drop-off in play between, say, DeRozan and Kleiza or Ross is far less than between Lowry/Calderon and Lucas or Udoh, and also because PGs are much more important to an impotent offensive team like the Raptors.

And easy with the name calling, or the mods will have to ban me again.
most people were calling for a multi-player trade to acquire a good starting wing. clearly we are in dire need of that. clearly this is more important than a backup for our best player. i mean how many teams can you name that have their best bench player backup their best starter?

you are only making this case with hindsight and the knowledge of a lowry injury. without the lowry injury this thread has no value at all.

homeboy is an insult now?
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I was making this case all along - go back and look up the threads throughout the summer.

Homeboy is an insult to me personally. I am not a boy anymore, unfortunately, nor do I qualify as a homer in general.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:08 PM   #12 (permalink)
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^Lol, way to take the word as literal as possible, homeboy.

Jose has been good for us however without him we would still have a similar, crappy record.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:09 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I was making this case all along - go back and look up the threads throughout the summer.

Homeboy is an insult to me personally. I am not a boy anymore, unfortunately, nor do I qualify as a homer in general.
what exactly does homeboy have to do with homer?
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we probably would be tanking already
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:12 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Jose is fine on this team just not at 10+million per season!

End of thread.
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oh and on the same note, what would Raptors be without Derozan?
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:13 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I was making this case all along - go back and look up the threads throughout the summer.
so, let me get his straight. if we had, as many people wanted, traded jose and say ed davis + something else, for gay or iguodala or some other high level 3, you think that would have been a mistake because we needed jose to weather a lowry injury. and we would be worse off now...

that seems to be the argument you are putting forward. and it is ludicrous.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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What I don't get is people on this board want a "decent starting wing" for Calderon, and then name players like Iguodala, Gay, Deng and others. Problem is, these aren't decent players, they're All-Stars! So no way will we get one of those, stop dreaming! Their teams are winning right now so they're not going to mess with their chemistry.

We can perfectly develop a decent starting wing from our own players, heck, look at Brooklyn, their starting SF is Keith Bogans, this dude is putting up some real Tank Commander stats and they're still winning.

So please stop wishing for that star SF that will never come via trade and let's enjoy Calderon some more, and yes I'm all for re-signing Ocho in the offseason!
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:19 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Jose and Davis for Gay? Who suggested that, a Raps fan? Or do you believe for a second that Griz were actually considering such a ludicrous deal? And who is the homer then?

I am talking to people, and quite a few of them, who wanted to get rid of Jose no matter what we were getting in return. Neither Gay nor Iggy deal were anything more than a figment of fans' imagination.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:28 PM   #20 (permalink)
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And never mind "homeboy" as an insult. Apparently, I am not up to speed with slang.
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