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Old 11-21-2012, 10:07 AM   #121 (permalink)
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What's really interesting to me is why Casey didn't put his best perimeter defender (Lowry, presumably) on Holiday when he was out there with Jose? Admittedly, I don't believe for a second that Lowry would have done much better - a good quick athletic point simply cannot be stopped one-on-one, especially if he uses screens and can shoot the three.

That is not to say that Jose is a good one-on-one defender - he is not. But time and time again, especially when playing for the national team, he has proven to be a capable team defender. I'd say that Raptors failed to defend well as a team in the fourth, but the game was lost on the offensive end of the floor, where they once again failed to manufacture enough points to win.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:16 AM   #122 (permalink)
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but the game was lost on the offensive end of the floor, where they once again failed to manufacture enough points to win.
Especially when you consider that they were in the Bonus i think with about 7 min remaining and didn't take advantage of it like they should have. And when they did go to the line they were missing shots. This is why i believe JV should have been in the game beyond having a great game, but he had only played 23 minutes and had fresh 20 year old legs and he could have brought energy going to the basket and drawn a ton of fouls. And is a good FT shooter. If we're aggressive to the basket the last 5 minutes and hit most of our FT's we win that game by 5+.
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Especially when you consider that they were in the Bonus i think with about 7 min remaining and didn't take advantage of it like they should have. And when they did go to the line they were missing shots. This is why i believe JV should have been in the game beyond having a great game, but he had only played 23 minutes and had fresh 20 year old legs and he could have brought energy going to the basket and drawn a ton of fouls. And is a good FT shooter. If we're aggressive to the basket the last 5 minutes and hit most of our FT's we win that game by 5+.
Yep. The team offense worked so well in the first and the third, and even to start the fourth, that it was very painful to watch under a little more pressure to finish the game. It feels more about coaching and psyche than their true offensive or defensive abilities - Sixers are one of the teams with hardly more talent than the Raps.

And they were in the bonus with more than 8 minutes to go! Unbelieavable.
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This team is unbelievably frustrating to watch. I don't know if I can make it through the season, especially if this 4th quarter joke continues.
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And they were in the bonus with more than 8 minutes to go! Unbelieavable.
And up 6 i believe. lol

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And up 6 i believe. lol

Then it was Calderon pounding the rock and long jumpers the rest of the way. 0 post ups for Derozan and no attacking the glass or easy baskets from Ed or JV because they were benched.
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I honestly believe the coaching have a huge part to play in the fourth quarter melt downs.
Casey has no idea what's going on the floor, with Philly in the penalty with over 8minutes to go, why on earth is the team out there street balling. Call plays pound the ball in the paint, tell the team what to do. Raptors fans we just do not have the talent to be a good NBA team, last night game prove that. We are just not good enough.
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I honestly believe the coaching have a huge part to play in the fourth quarter melt downs.
Casey has no idea what's going on the floor, with Philly in the penalty with over 8minutes to go, why on earth is the team out there street balling. Call plays pound the ball in the paint, tell the team what to do. Raptors fans we just do not have the talent to be a good NBA team, last night game prove that. We are just not good enough.
True on not enough talent, but what's there could be used better. The team has no discernible offense against a decent amount of defensive pressure that any good team would apply in the fourth. While I am all for improving defensively, it appears they need to hire a good offensive coordinator pronto.
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Then it was Calderon pounding the rock and long jumpers the rest of the way. 0 post ups for Derozan and no attacking the glass or easy baskets from Ed or JV because they were benched.
Calderon isn't pounding the rock because he wants to - he is pounding the rock because no play is being run, people are not moving without the ball (to set screens or to get open) and he has nowhere to go with the ball. Witness how quickly he was getting rid of the rock in the first and third quarters, when they were playing well and running and generally executing the offense. Yes, Calderon is a bad PG for constant ISOs with no plan further than to "break your man down off the dribble and see what happens next" - he won't do that for you, but he will run the set offence well so long as there is one.
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Calderon isn't pounding the rock because he wants to - he is pounding the rock because no play is being run, people are not moving without the ball (to set screens or to get open) and he has nowhere to go with the ball. Witness how quickly he was getting rid of the rock in the first and third quarters, when they were playing well and running and generally executing the offense. Yes, Calderon is a bad PG for constant ISOs with no plan further than to "break your man down off the dribble and see what happens next" - he won't do that for you, but he will run the set offence well so long as there is one.
He shouldn't be handling the ball anyways, it should be given to Lowry.
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We scored 98 points. That's fine offensively. We gave up 106 points. We lost this game on the defensive end where we were out defended. Granted there were some non calls buy w.e u still gotta defend! Casey's gotta pick it up. He preached defence but this year it's gone to shit when we have more talent on the defensive end. Inexcusable
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Great article by Chisholm today explaining how Calderon has blown games for us down the stretch due to Casey overplaying him in bad matchups.

Chisholm: Raptors coach Casey leans too much on Calderon
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Great article by Chisholm today explaining how Calderon has blown games for us down the stretch due to Casey overplaying him in bad matchups.

Chisholm: Raptors coach Casey leans too much on Calderon
In Casey's defense Lowry was out for 6 of our 11 games. Take a look at Calderon's minutes at the begining of the season prior to Lowry getting injured. The first 4 games of the season Calderon averaged 20.2mpg, which imo is roughly where he needs to be. Since then due to circumstances he has averaged 38 whopping mpg. No way in hell should Calderon be averaging 38mpg. Granted those mpg are skewed due to the triple OT game but he's easily averaging 35mpg which is stil far too much. Now with Lowry back i would hope Calderon is going to go back to his 20-23mpg.
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See I don't know what to really think about this team right now because I think, as a team we have regressed since last year. Watching this team the 4th quarters make me sick. If this trend continues, I think im going to skip a few games, maybe a weeks worth, and then tune back in to see if things are getting even worse, or if there is hope.

4th quarter melt downs have been a staple of this team ever since Triano took over, and even with the coaching change, we still cant close games. What does that mean?

Well, we have made the coaching change, BC has not been replaced, but hes on the fence now having done some good, and more bad (JV will be a huge redemption for him if he lives up to what we expect), DC seems to have lost all motivational and X's and O's abilitys in running this team, but the one this that has remained consistant has been the shit ass "core" of this team. Andrea and Calderon HAVE to go. Demar has shown significant improvement so far this year, but Barg's has seriously lost all interest in playing, and every time Calderon hits the floor, the other teams PG drools and begins beating the shit out of him on the offensive end of the floor. We dont have the defence to support calderon, and this guy, although he gets 18 assits in a game, still allows too many points on the other end of the floor......I think we could prob get a pretty sweet deal if we trade Bargs and Calderon in a package (i know, im dreaming) but we need to get rid of these guys and move on. Also, if casey cant gain control of this team, and drop out opp points, then hes got to go too beucase what good is a defensive coach, if we are the top 5 worst defensive teams in the league?
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In Casey's defense Lowry was out for 6 of our 11 games. Take a look at Calderon's minutes at the begining of the season prior to Lowry getting injured. The first 4 games of the season Calderon averaged 20.2mpg, which imo is roughly where he needs to be. Since then due to circumstances he has averaged 38 whopping mpg. No way in hell should Calderon be averaging 38mpg. Granted those mpg are skewed due to the triple OT game but he's easily averaging 35mpg which is stil far too much. Now with Lowry back i would hope Calderon is going to go back to his 20-23mpg.
I don't mind Jose at 25-30 if JL3 gets his minutes cut.
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I don't mind Jose at 25-30 if JL3 gets his minutes cut.
I would say 20-25 is perfect anything more is too much. I then would play Ross before giving minutes to Lucas. Lucas should be glued to the bench unless there is an injury.
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In Casey's defense Lowry was out for 6 of our 11 games. Take a look at Calderon's minutes at the begining of the season prior to Lowry getting injured. The first 4 games of the season Calderon averaged 20.2mpg, which imo is roughly where he needs to be. Since then due to circumstances he has averaged 38 whopping mpg. No way in hell should Calderon be averaging 38mpg. Granted those mpg are skewed due to the triple OT game but he's easily averaging 35mpg which is stil far too much. Now with Lowry back i would hope Calderon is going to go back to his 20-23mpg.
At the same time, we have Ross sitting on the bench and his footspeed is a lot better than Calderon's. Why not send him out there and see what he can do? Or bring in Ed Davis and JV, run every play through the post and force Philly to double team us? Casey basically let us get eaten alive as Calderon was killed over and over. There were twofold errors. The first was having Calderon out there at all and the second was not having JV out there to provide protection at the basket.
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I would say 20-25 is perfect anything more is too much. I then would play Ross before giving minutes to Lucas. Lucas should be glued to the bench unless there is an injury.
But then how will we have the 3 PG lineup?
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See I don't know what to really think about this team right now because I think, as a team we have regressed since last year. Watching this team the 4th quarters make me sick. If this trend continues, I think im going to skip a few games, maybe a weeks worth, and then tune back in to see if things are getting even worse, or if there is hope.

4th quarter melt downs have been a staple of this team ever since Triano took over, and even with the coaching change, we still cant close games. What does that mean?

Well, we have made the coaching change, BC has not been replaced, but hes on the fence now having done some good, and more bad (JV will be a huge redemption for him if he lives up to what we expect), DC seems to have lost all motivational and X's and O's abilitys in running this team, but the one this that has remained consistant has been the shit ass "core" of this team. Andrea and Calderon HAVE to go. Demar has shown significant improvement so far this year, but Barg's has seriously lost all interest in playing, and every time Calderon hits the floor, the other teams PG drools and begins beating the shit out of him on the offensive end of the floor. We dont have the defence to support calderon, and this guy, although he gets 18 assits in a game, still allows too many points on the other end of the floor......I think we could prob get a pretty sweet deal if we trade Bargs and Calderon in a package (i know, im dreaming) but we need to get rid of these guys and move on. Also, if casey cant gain control of this team, and drop out opp points, then hes got to go too beucase what good is a defensive coach, if we are the top 5 worst defensive teams in the league?
can't say i disagree with much of that dude. Core is weak and in the NBA you need 1 or two guys to really define a core. Given the lack of stars you better have a well oiled machine type system which we certainly don't have.

I can't hate on Jose. He's a good player, but he's no star. We need stars.
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At the same time, we have Ross sitting on the bench and his footspeed is a lot better than Calderon's. Why not send him out there and see what he can do? Or bring in Ed Davis and JV, run every play through the post and force Philly to double team us? Casey basically let us get eaten alive as Calderon was killed over and over. There were twofold errors. The first was having Calderon out there at all and the second was not having JV out there to provide protection at the basket.
I like Casey, but Calderon on Holiday was brutal. I agree with some posters with Ross or even McGuire, but Holiday was attacking Calderon with ease which lead to lay-ups or open shots for other teammates. Maybe he thought he can use the same scheme in Dallas with Barea or Kidd at the top of the key, but the Raps don't have a Tyson Chandler or Marion to erase the deficiences of other teammates. The loss can be blamed on the players for the non-execution on offense during crunch time, but the coach takes the majority of the blame on the defensive end. Aside from Lowry and the progression of Demar, BC should be fired for the team he has assembled. Keep the coach, he just needs more players who play both sides of the ball.
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