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Old 10-09-2013, 02:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I get why guys are saying this is accurate, but there was so much in there that was inaccurate it isn't even funny. This was just two guys piling on with the usual bullshit.

The cost of work permits is in the hundreds of dollars, and none of it or any other tax goes to the fucking Queen. There really might be a chance that this city could have basketball fans as well as hockey fans, and to say otherwise is a ridiculous assertion that was only brought up so Bill could have a laugh as a Bruins fan. Vince was not treated like a franchise player? Get the fuck out of here with that shit. It mattered that Jonas won summer league MVP? No idiot, it obviously did not, but his improvement over the course of the past year maybe was worth mentioning. Rudy shot poorly due to double teams and his eyes were fine? That's garbage. Look at the shot chart and see that the easiest three pointers were missed entirely, and that is also the spot on the floor where depth perception comes into play the most. And it's not like he was lighting it up when he was with the grizzlies or when he took wide open shots here such as when he played in LA. Masai gets labelled as a GM/warlord? I find that more than a little offensive if his African roots are being referred to in that sense.

There really was very little accurate here! nor was there any attempt to be accurate. It was a shoddy bit of trashing a franchise that has largely bee trash. So to the extent that it disrespected a team that has done nothing to deserve any respect, it was accurate. Otherwise, not so much.
Agreed! The problem I have is that this team gets it more then American trash teams. Do you ever hear these guys trash Charlotte like this, or put out such misinformation on them? If so i'd love to see the proof.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:13 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Rudy shot poorly due to double teams and his eyes were fine? That's garbage. Look at the shot chart and see that the easiest three pointers were missed entirely, and that is also the spot on the floor where depth perception comes into play the most. And it's not like he was lighting it up when he was with the grizzlies or when he took wide open shots here such as when he played in LA.
Gay shot significantly better with the Raptors last year than with the Grizzlies. TS% went up by 4 percentage points and eFG% went up by 3 percentage points. That entire segment was pretty flawed.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:17 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I think other teams get trashed, but the idea that nobody wants to play here is dumb. Ed Davis was in tears when he had to leave. The work permit didn't seem to bother him too much. Amir doesn't look like a big fan of the queen to me, but he's very happy to take a stroll down Queen Street. Maybe King as, but probably not in the immature fashion Jalen did.

They could have just acted for 30 seconds like this was not a waste of their time other than making jokes, and mostly with the same old tired source material.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:19 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Gay shot significantly better with the Raptors last year than with the Grizzlies. TS% went up by 4 percentage points and eFG% went up by 3 percentage points. That entire segment was pretty flawed.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:34 PM   #25 (permalink)
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i thought it was funny. i'm pretty sure that was their intention. you don't watch simmons and jalen for accurate analysis, you watch them for laughs, for jalen's 'inside' perspective, and, in this case, for a quick opinion on all 30 teams. they are usually wrong a lot.
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Old 10-09-2013, 02:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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These previews are highly entertaining, but this was by far their worst. Bill opening up the video saying that we wouldn't support a winner just goes to show either his pure lack of knowledge about the fans, or that he's just trying to troll Canada. Either way he's completely wrong, and it shows in the numbers. Him then trying to back up that opinion once Jalen shot him down by saying 'I dont know if anyone outside the 20k that show up would support them' just showed how stupid his opinion was.

I'd like to know more about the tax too, if it's that much more egregious versus American cities.

We're ranked where we should be ranked though. Their opinions about Gay were pretty spot on besides the eyesight thing. He needs to go, and his mediocre efficiency while being a main option just doesn't coincide with winning.
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Old 10-09-2013, 03:00 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Finally, looks like RF is getting it.
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Old 10-09-2013, 03:12 PM   #28 (permalink)
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'I dont know if anyone outside the 20k that show up would support them' just showed how stupid his opinion was.
I've heard a couple people in the media here say that, usually non basketball fans. I've heard these same guys lament about how our attendance is "way down". And these are media guys...from here. lol

But really, this will never go away, even if we're winning. The fanbase will always get diminished here and the US. Primarily because it isn't the number one sport and for some reason the perception is that this city has trouble supporting any other team consistently. It's funny that at a time when the interest in the sport in on the rise, more Canadian players landing in the NBA then ever before (mostly from the GTA) and this kind of rhetoric gets louder. Whatever, this team will never have the fanbase size the leafs have, that is obvious but it has it's place in this city and a sizeable fanbase and saying nobody cares is an insult to them no matter the size. Why can't we just respect the fanbase that it has and not compare it to other teams. Does nobody want to see this thing grow at all? If so, constantly saying nobody cares isn't the way to do it.

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He needs to go, and his mediocre efficiency while being a main option just doesn't coincide with winning.
He was here 10 weeks last season, half of which was pretty efficient (last 5 weeks of the season) so imo it's a little early to say he needs to go.

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Old 10-09-2013, 03:21 PM   #29 (permalink)
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To me the whole basis of what to do with Rudy rests on his efficiency. If he's no better than Bargnani in that respect than I'll want him gone. But then what can we get for him in that scenario? I think he can improve his efficiency and up his value to where the decision gets based on what MU thinks he can sign him for vs what can come back in a trade, which would likely point in favor of the trade.
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I've never understood why TO gets flack as a hockey town, meaning that it can't be a basketball town. Aren't baseball and football 10 times more popular in the states than basketball?
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i don't get either, I listen to almost every single podcast bill simmons does and was surprised by his lack of knowledge of Toronto, for a guy who is a basketball nerd he should know some of the biggest ones come from Toronto or are raptor fans, (basketball Jones was on Grantland last year like WTF)

he has no clue about the demographics, the multiculturalism in the city and the growing youth who chooses to play basketball over hockey, not to mention the fact that Toronto is producing more basketball players in the nba than cities like Boston, tahts just the pro level, if you look even deeper the numbers we have in college basketball must be one of the highest in north America don't have stats to back it up but that's a ton of kids playing across the border

I know boston has a long storied history with the Celtics but if you wipe that out look at the two cities and set them up face to face the way they are currently Toronto wins every time, if our team was competitive like the Celtics were then this city would explode

hate to break it to boston and about 20 other cites in north America Toronto is just better than you I know your America but the facts are the facts

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Old 10-10-2013, 03:28 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I've never understood why TO gets flack as a hockey town, meaning that it can't be a basketball town. Aren't baseball and football 10 times more popular in the states than basketball?
Well said.

The issue with basketball is that in very few places is it purely the # sport. Lithuania's national sport is basketball. There are a few cities in the US with bball as the only big sports team (SAS, OKC). However even in those cities at the grassroots level football is dominant. It's just that there are very few places where basketball is king.
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Old 10-10-2013, 03:32 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Well said.

The issue with basketball is that in very few places is it purely the # sport. Lithuania's national sport is basketball. There are a few cities in the US with bball as the only big sports team (SAS, OKC). However even in those cities at the grassroots level football is dominant. It's just that there are very few places where basketball is king.
yet it's one of the most globally dominant sport. difference being, in most of the us cities, if it's not the dominant sport you don't hear the local media whining about how nobody cares just because it's not the dominant sport, they usually realize it has it's place.
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To me the whole basis of what to do with Rudy rests on his efficiency. If he's no better than Bargnani in that respect than I'll want him gone. But then what can we get for him in that scenario? I think he can improve his efficiency and up his value to where the decision gets based on what MU thinks he can sign him for vs what can come back in a trade, which would likely point in favor of the trade.
RG can actually do other things than score which is nice. Hopefully DD can do the same.

The thing with RG is that PO of his. A lot of money to pass up but you never know what can happen.
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yet it's one of the most globally dominant sport. difference being, in most of the us cities, if it's not the dominant sport you don't hear the local media whining about how nobody cares just because it's not the dominant sport, they usually realize it has it's place.
It's globally dominant but in few countries is it the national sport. I just find it interesting.
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Or Ujiri.

Jalen made it sound like a stretch that Demar is going to average 18 points this year when that's exactly what he averaged last year.
Yeah, he also claimed DeMar can play at a high level, but is not good enough to have a double team and open up space for Rudy. He also claimed that Rudy's number's last season were better in Memphis due to having bigs demanding doubles, but in fact i think Rudy increased his percentages in Toronto.
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There are sections put into the CBA that allow for tax relief for Toronto players (since the early 2000's), through various mechanisms. It works out so Raptors players pay about the same tax as the high tax states like NY.
Do you know where exactly I can find this? I would like to tell this to people who always bring this up. Tweet Grantland as well
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:19 PM   #38 (permalink)
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:13 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Honestly, I don't acknowledge analysis from someone who hasn't played in the NBA. These players are professionals. Listening to Bill is like asking for heart surgery advice from a hobo. Jalen's input is the only analysis worth listening too.

Also, TNT commentators shit on ESPN commentators

That's why on TNT, Ernie Johnson (Non-NBA player) delegates the questions to the NBA players (Shaq, Kenny, Charles). Any other input from Non-NBA players is irrelevant.
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Honestly, I don't acknowledge analysis from someone who hasn't played in the NBA. These players are professionals. Listening to Bill is like asking for heart surgery advice from a hobo. Jalen's input is the only analysis worth listening too.

Also, TNT commentators shit on ESPN commentators

That's why on TNT, Ernie Johnson (Non-NBA player) delegates the questions to the NBA players (Shaq, Kenny, Charles). Any other input from Non-NBA players is irrelevant.
Yeah, that's why Magic Johnson, top 5 player of all time, was such a great analyst I guess coaches who didn't play in the league prior to becoming a coach shouldn't be taken seriously either, right?
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