Where do you peg Lowry's value right now?
Old 01-02-2014, 01:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm just wondering where you guys peg Lowry's trade value right now, taking into consideration, of course, his expiring status?

Note: This is not about whether we should pull the trigger on a trade or not, I am merely wondering how high you guys assess his value to be.

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Old 01-02-2014, 01:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He's a top 15 PG right now on an expiring contract in a dried up market(not many teams have an opening at the starting PG position). His value is probably us getting back a decent player on a 1-2 year deal, and a 2nd round pick. Since the Knicks are no longer in play, there's really no other teams that would give up a 1st for him. Giving up young assets or 1st round picks for expiring contracts just isn't a good idea, and I think more teams are realizing this after the most recent example of this with Redick for Harris last year.
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If he keeps playing like this his value could increase significantly closer to the deadline IF key PG's go down with injuries on contending teams. Right now i think he could net us a decent prospect and future pick.
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His value for our team is much more than in a trade
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His value for our team is much more than in a trade
and next year it will be zero.
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Hes probably the most enticing available PG in the NBA right now. I think a lot of teams want him.
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His value for our team is much more than in a trade
maybe but it's all about them lotto balls for a 1/4 chance at wiggins though!

not a shot at you, but rather those who are advocates of tanking.
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maybe but it's all about them lotto balls for a 1/4 chance at wiggins though!

not a shot at you, but rather those who are advocates of tanking.
think this through for a second. does the idea of retaining value for a disappearing asset beyond the end of this season automatically mean tanking?
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I don't think their is a lot of value out there for any pg that isn't elite - now or next year. So it comes down to expected value and Ujiri's feel for what he thinks his probabilities are on resigning Lowry which imo are probably as good as anybody else's.
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maybe but it's all about them lotto balls for a 1/4 chance at wiggins though!

not a shot at you, but rather those who are advocates of tanking.
Shake my mother fucking head. Anyone who thinks it's all about Wiggins at this point is living under a rock.
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Lowry is worth a lot to this team in terms of a playoff push. It's pretty clear that without him, GV is not going to be able to keep this team winning. The guy has been a so-so shooter since he got here and hasn't been racking up the assists like he was supposed to.

The issue with keeping him being, is that we'll be contending with a lot of other NBA teams that are trying to sign him. He won't extend because he can only get a certain amount more than what he's getting now (and it's only slightly more than his current deal).

I see him getting 10-12 million in the FA pool.
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maybe but it's all about them lotto balls for a 1/4 chance at wiggins though!

not a shot at you, but rather those who are advocates of tanking.
what 1/4 chance are you talking about? We are not going to have worst record if Lowry is gone, and we are certainly not going to get anything close to lottery pick for him. And to even suggest that you wouldn't trade expiring Lowry for 1/4 chance (again wtf?) at Wiggins makes me wonder if you are really that much of a Homer or you are just clueless..
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As some have already said - his value to this team, assuming winning is the goal this season, far exceeds pretty much anything we could possibly get back for him in a trade.

It's all about Masai's vision, isn't it? If he sees the team as currently constructed as something to build upon, then he absolutely should start talking to Lowry's people, trying to figure out their price point and looking into ways to lock him up for the future. If, on the other hand, he is not satisfied with the core pieces, including Lowry, then the trade route must be explored for the fear of losing an asset for nothing. Trouble with the second approach is, of course, an immediate degradation of what at the moment looks like a nice, hard-working team with great chemistry.

I don't envy MU's position.
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Old 01-02-2014, 07:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Shake my mother fucking head. Anyone who thinks it's all about Wiggins at this point is living under a rock.
Agreed. People actually need to watch some of his college games. He has played well in some and crap in others. We need to stop saying he is going to be the next big star. Does Harrison Barnes not ring a bell? Everyone hyped him up to be the next big thing, and while he is a good player he is nowhere near a franchise player. If we could resign Lowry at season's end for between 8-10mil per year I'd sign him, even if he wanted a little extra you have to look into it because we aren't getting a better PG in free agency and we probably won't get one through a trade either.
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think this through for a second. does the idea of retaining value for a disappearing asset beyond the end of this season automatically mean tanking?
Trane, if wins keep piling up at his point, Masai would consider keeping him the whole year just to rebuild the casual fan base and to reward long time fans with a little success. Also, if I'm not mistaken, each home playoff game nets the team a pretty big payoff, am I right? And at this point in the season, we're looking to be a definite second round team.

Not to mention the vote of confidence it shows the management has in Lowry and in trying to re-sign him.
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Lowry is worth a lot to this team in terms of a playoff push. It's pretty clear that without him, GV is not going to be able to keep this team winning. The guy has been a so-so shooter since he got here and hasn't been racking up the assists like he was supposed to.

The issue with keeping him being, is that we'll be contending with a lot of other NBA teams that are trying to sign him. He won't extend because he can only get a certain amount more than what he's getting now (and it's only slightly more than his current deal).

I see him getting 10-12 million in the FA pool.
If he continued to play (over the last 5-10 games) this way for the rest of his career I would give him the 10-12 over 4 and not bat an eye. I just have a hunch that he won't.

Obviously going to a winner would be his likely spot, but there's not too many better teams than the Raptors that don't already have a better (or similar) PG that could sign him, except maybe Indy or Spurs if they lose their mind and let Parker walk.

As for the question... top 15. Maybe Top 10 if you based it on a really small sample and pushed it. But what can we get for him? Probabaly little which is why he's still around. I would want a 1st round pick (almost any) and a young player and filler.

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Trane, if wins keep piling up at his point, Masai would consider keeping him the whole year just to rebuild the casual fan base and to reward long time fans with a little success. Also, if I'm not mistaken, each home playoff game nets the team a pretty big payoff, am I right? And at this point in the season, we're looking to be a definite second round team.

Not to mention the vote of confidence it shows the management has in Lowry and in trying to re-sign him.
so, say, in the best case scenario, we make it to game 7 of the 2nd round this year and lose. and then we lose lowry for nothing, and have to re-up vasquez as our starter next year, with no significant cap space unless we waive salmons and don't take back patterson (2 cogs in our recent success). even then we don't have enough room to do anything significant. so we have this current team, minus lowry, patterson and salmons, and plus a small contract player.

is game 7 of round 2 (at best) worth that stinking mess? is some confidence worth and a small playoff push worth that total loss of an asset? and, to get back to the point of my reply to pzabby, does it automatically mean tank if we try to get some value out of that asset as opposed to letting him walk?
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In the NBA's 60+ year history I think you could name 150 players better than him.
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maybe but it's all about them lotto balls for a 1/4 chance at wiggins though!

not a shot at you, but rather those who are advocates of tanking.
A+ straw man. Very straw-y.
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