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'trane 09-08-2009 11:56 AM

where can an injury hurt us the most?
 
http://raptorsrepublic.com/2009/09/0...ce/#more-10433


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Depth Chart:

PG: Calderon, Jack, Douby, Banks
SG: DeRozan, Belinelli, Weems
SF: Turkoglu, Wright
PF: Bosh, Evans, Johnson
C: Bargnani, Nesterovic, OBryant

Where can an injury hurt us the most?

PG: An injury to Calderon will result in Jack moving over to handle starting duties making Douby the backup point. This could be the most realistic injury scenario heading into this year. Calderons still got a lot to prove in terms of staying fit for 82, and Im not being pessimistic when I say that a hamstring could chop 20 games out of his season. An injury here has a two-fold effect, it not only increases Jacks minutes at the point, it decreases his minutes at the off guard where were both unproven and thin. Then again, there arent many teams in the league that can lose their starting point guard and not scrape the bottom of the bench to find minutes. Given the acquisition of Jack and Turkoglus ability to run an offense, Id say we have sufficient insurance in case of an injury to Calderon, although his efficiency cannot be replaced. The guy doesnt take bad shots, is careful with the ball and when healthy, can make the defense pay. Were definitely liable to suffer on offense if hes out, but not nearly to the extent we did last year.

SG: Unlike most Im not expecting much out of DeMar DeRozan early on. Hes got a chance to be a solid NBA player but its far too soon to expect consistent production out of him. An early injury to him will hurt our transition game and defense because well lose athleticism at the wing, but Wright can make up for that on defense and the erratic Belinelli is capable of providing the scoring punch, arguably more than DeRozan. Were not loaded at the 2 and losing DeRozan for a bunch of games will hurt his development far more than the team. Ideally, hed be playing the role of Courtney Lee, in other words, the defense forgets that hes on the floor because there are far more dangerous threats on the floor. I dont see that happening with the Raptors and hes going to have to work hard to get his. Jarrett Jack and Marco Belinelli are the other variables but youd think Belinelli is ahead of Jack in the depth chart given size and scoring ability. Losing Belinelli would mean losing the only true scorer off the bench and a trade or signing would have to be made because it would leave us with Sonny Weems as the second wing off the pine.
interesting analysis from arsenalist. click the link to read his thoughts on the other three positions. :reporter:

Superjudge 09-08-2009 12:03 PM

I'm curious, why do so many people say calderon has yet to show he can play a whole year without getting hurt?

Dude plays hard. He's not always hurt. He was hurt last year.

INSIDER 09-08-2009 12:04 PM

wow, nice read...
we're extremely lucky to have a deep team this season...

Apollo 09-08-2009 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 237304)
I'm curious, why do so many people say calderon has yet to show he can play a whole year without getting hurt?

Dude plays hard. He's not always hurt. He was hurt last year.


He's only missed 10% of his games as an NBA pro. He doesn't get injured often but he's shown that when he does he has a slow recovery time and often struggles to get back up to speed. Maybe that's the piece they're talking about?

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! 09-08-2009 12:16 PM

I disagree with the first post...the biggest injury impact to us would be Bosh without question. He's our best player, the only guy on the team that consistantly demands double-teams...while we have talent that can play in behind him, he's our all star and losing him would impact us the most.

LX 09-08-2009 04:16 PM

Calderon has not shown that he can stand the wear and tear of a full schedule as a starter. He doesn't miss a lot of games, but he's played hurt a ton of games. Not having to play huge minutes is going to be critical.

jeffb 09-08-2009 04:20 PM

An injury to Bargnani (C) or Bosh (PF) would hurt the most. I wouldn't want Rasho, Evans, Johnson taking up major minutes or starting and in turn giving POB more minutes.

We're pretty deep at the guard spots with Jose,Jack, Belinelli, Derozan, Wright, Douby

And if Turk goes down we're ok at SF as well with Wright, Derozan.

VanCity 09-08-2009 04:20 PM

i still think its the SF position...if hedo gets hurt.....were in some serious trouble.....

jeffb 09-08-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by A00715890 (Post 237434)
i still think its the SF position...if hedo gets hurt.....were in some serious trouble.....

Nahhh, Wright could start no problem with Derozan maybe taking limited minutees behind him. Then Belinelli could start at SG with Jack taking minutes behind him along with Douby.

If Turk goes down:

Jose/Jack
Belinelli/Jack/Douby
Wright/Derozan
Bosh/Evans/Johnson
Bargs/Rasho/POB

'trane 09-08-2009 04:29 PM

a007 - can you name any team that could lose one of its top 3-4 players and note in some trouble?

jeffb 09-08-2009 04:43 PM

Which lineup looks worse without one of our starters-

Without Jose:
Jack/Beli/Douby
Derozan/Beli/Wright
Tukoglu/Wright
Bosh/Evans/Johnson
Bargs/Rasho/POB

Without Derozan:
Jose/Jack
Belinelli/Jack/Wright
Turkoglu/Wright
Bosh/Evans/Johnson
Bargs/Rasho/POB



Without Tukoglu:
Jose/Jack
Belinelli/Jack/Derozan
Wright/Derozan
Bosh/Evans/Johnson
Bargs/Rasho/POB

Without Bosh:
Jose/Jack
Derozan/Belinelli
Turkoglu/Wright
Johnson/Evans
Bargs/Rasho

Without Bargs:
Jose/Jack
Derozan/Belinelli
Turkoglu/Wright
Bosh/Evans/Johnson
Rasho/POB/Evans

halphbreedballer 09-08-2009 04:56 PM

With out Bosh of couse!

This is a silly question, now that we have back ups at every position then it's obviously Bosh, he will have the most drop off if he gets injured period!

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! 09-08-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 237439)
a007 - can you name any team that could lose one of its top 3-4 players and note in some trouble?

I suppose it depends on the definition of 'some trouble'... but Boston as an example lost Garnet, definitely one of their top 3, arguably the player that most impacts the team overall and they did pretty good until they faced elite talent.

..but the sentiment is true, most teams suffer when they lose a top player. Most aren't built with enough star power AND enough depth...it's just economics in the NBA.

carp 09-08-2009 05:08 PM

I think if we lost Douby to injury we are screwed! It is comical to hear people discuss him getting minutes at all. The guy is like Hassan Adams. He should only see the floor if they are up twenty in the fourth quarter. Hopefully, unlike Smitch, Jay will realize that garbage time is a useful thing and get our starters a rest once in a while.
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B-RAD 09-08-2009 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 237300)
Injury insurance – Raptors Republic - Raptors Blog ESPN TrueHoop




interesting analysis from arsenalist. click the link to read his thoughts on the other three positions. :reporter:

correct me if i'm wrong. but, is it not



caldy/jack/douby/banks/belinelli/turk

dero/belli/douby/wright/weems/jack

turk/wright/weems/dero/*barney(probably never see time there but, if worse comes to worse i think he can play it)

bosh/evans/johnson/barney/*turk

barney/rasho/pob/*evans/*bosh


even if you just put each players name down once. is that not how it goes?

* can play position if worse comes to wrose

B-RAD 09-08-2009 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 237433)
An injury to Bargnani (C) or Bosh (PF) would hurt the most. I wouldn't want Rasho, Evans, Johnson taking up major minutes or starting and in turn giving POB more minutes.

We're pretty deep at the guard spots with Jose,Jack, Belinelli, Derozan, Wright, Douby

And if Turk goes down we're ok at SF as well with Wright, Derozan.

evans actually does better with 20+ minutes and as for pob and johnson remember what happened when bargnani got more minutes last season?.


and don't give me no ya but we kne w bargnani was better and all that non-sense.



rasho i'd be a little scared he gets fatigued pretty easily after a while.

LX 09-08-2009 06:19 PM

This season looks to be much different than last for the very reason that one or multiple top guys can play at less than 100 percent and some slack can be taken up elsewhere. Last season you had Jose and Parker playing, but often not at 100 percent, and there was just nobody behind them that could keep the perimeter from being relatively undefended and making the whole team look terrible. Then You had JO playing hurt just to show that he could still play and thus be traded, to the detriment of the team. And Bosh banging knees in November with all the other problems in tow, just added to the misery. This season they should be able to get through some rough stretches without the whole ship sinking.

Rimpianto 09-08-2009 06:45 PM

Sounds better to me:

Without Bosh:
Jose/Jack
Derozan/Belinelli
Turkoglu/Wright
Bargs/Evans/Johnson
Rasho/POB/Evans

jeffb 09-08-2009 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by B-RAD (Post 237501)
evans actually does better with 20+ minutes and as for pob and johnson remember what happened when bargnani got more minutes last season?.

and don't give me no ya but we kne w bargnani was better and all that non-sense.

Oh come on you're not seriously comparing POB and Johnson to Bargnani are you? Tell me you're not......nahhhhh can't be.

rapsdabest 09-08-2009 06:53 PM

Kind of obvious. Nothing to do with depth but offensive and defensive leadership from Bosh if he gets injured. I doubt Amir and Reggie are quite so good offensively though Amir could be...


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