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Old 12-29-2012, 02:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ah, so Carp is the one trolling with this second account. Makes sense now.
I hope I'm just missing out on an inside joke here. There's gotta be some sarcasm laced deeply in this post. I can't find it and I'm at a loss for words.

In all seriousness, I think I've earned my reputation on this forum though I'm losing interest with all of the bullying going on. I hope you were joking, and suspect you were, though there are many who might not recognize this.

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Old 12-29-2012, 02:34 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Agree .. This is the most likely scenario as described above.

If JV comes back before Bargs ... He will need to come off the bench and prove he deserves the minutes. I know I'm in the minority, but I've always liked Bargs getting time as a Centre ... Having him playing at the three point line is ludicrous
Andrea is a perimeter player,no matter what position he's listed at,he'll be camped out by the three point line for the most part,on offense. Defensively,he'll create a mismatch if a Center is guarding him. On defense he's quick and strong enough to guard Centers,he just needs a stronger willl and more heart. His approach needs to be more than just " hey,i'm just doing my job". Bringing him in as a 6th man,is the best option before executing a trade,to really see if he can fit in with what's been working recently. I'd even start Gray over him to begin the games.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Just got back from Cancun, but no updates on Bargnani. I'm thinking maybe a couple weeks too.

If Lowry can get integrated back into the offence and play as well as he did against the Hornets, I'm sure Bargnani will too.

However now there are reports from rotoworld

"Toronto center Andrea Bargnani, who has been out since mid-December with a ligament tear in his right elbow, seems like a lock to be traded, reports ESPN Saturday. "


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Old 12-29-2012, 03:04 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Andrea is a perimeter player,no matter what position he's listed at,he'll be camped out by the three point line for the most part,on offense. Defensively,he'll create a mismatch if a Center is guarding him. On defense he's quick and strong enough to guard Centers,he just needs a stronger willl and more heart. His approach needs to be more than just " hey,i'm just doing my job". Bringing him in as a 6th man,is the best option before executing a trade,to really see if he can fit in with what's been working recently. I'd even start Gray over him to begin the games.
I liked this post, but Andrea doesn't have to be solely a perimeter player. This year they have overstressed that narrative in order to give the others more room, when in fact they were just hurting his game and hurting the flow of off ball movement. He's been highly effective at times when he mixes his game with both perimeter and post play. He's a mismatch guy, he needs to be able to exploit matchups better and when he's dialed in, he generally does. The trick with AB is not leaving him out on the perimeter where he's often comfortable and gets into watching mode, but rather put him on the block, on both sides, where he's in the middle of it and forced to rebound. Andrea isn't a board crasher so leaving him on the perimeter isn't going to increase his rebounding.

It really makes me think that either the players or coaches aren't watching enough game film though I'm sure they are. Watching AB stand at the 3 point line is so glaringly obvious that it's either him or it's the coaching..... but it's gotta be one of them. The fact that he wasn't getting pulled makes me think it was the coaching, but it's still on him to not let it dictate his energy and activity level.

Bargnani can be a huge offensive weapon for this team, especially against other teams' reserves, going forward. Selling now is foolish. If he comes back and goes on a run, then I can understand selling.
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Start him for 4-5 games and trade his ass!
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Old 12-29-2012, 03:20 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I liked this post, but Andrea doesn't have to be solely a perimeter player. This year they have overstressed that narrative in order to give the others more room, when in fact they were just hurting his game and hurting the flow of off ball movement. He's been highly effective at times when he mixes his game with both perimeter and post play. He's a mismatch guy, he needs to be able to exploit matchups better and when he's dialed in, he generally does. The trick with AB is not leaving him out on the perimeter where he's often comfortable and gets into watching mode, but rather put him on the block, on both sides, where he's in the middle of it and forced to rebound. Andrea isn't a board crasher so leaving him on the perimeter isn't going to increase his rebounding.

It really makes me think that either the players or coaches aren't watching enough game film though I'm sure they are. Watching AB stand at the 3 point line is so glaringly obvious that it's either him or it's the coaching..... but it's gotta be one of them. The fact that he wasn't getting pulled makes me think it was the coaching, but it's still on him to not let it dictate his energy and activity level.

Bargnani can be a huge offensive weapon for this team, especially against other teams' reserves, going forward. Selling now is foolish. If he comes back and goes on a run, then I can understand selling.
This is why you're a Grade A Raptors poster,this is the bang on truth. I've been in favor of trading him,but I don't mind Bargnani here if they use him properly. Find the mismatch and take advantage of it,it really is that simple. Also,he probably is just doing what the coaches want. If he can be a little more assertive than it will benefit him and the team.
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Like they each have a half?
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Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Bargnani - RealGM Wiretap

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Old 12-29-2012, 03:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Bargnani - RealGM Wiretap

Seems like it's over for Il Mago
They may have an agreement in principle for a deal involving Bargnani but just waiting until he's cleared to play.
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:14 PM   #30 (permalink)
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This is why you're a Grade A Raptors poster,this is the bang on truth. I've been in favor of trading him,but I don't mind Bargnani here if they use him properly. Find the mismatch and take advantage of it,it really is that simple. Also,he probably is just doing what the coaches want. If he can be a little more assertive than it will benefit him and the team.
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The Toronto Raptors are expected to trade Andrea Bargnani before the end of the 2012-13 season.

One source close to the situation said Friday that Bargnani is "a lock to be moved."

Bargnani has two years and $22 million left on his contract.
Raptors Remain Likely To Trade Bargnani - RealGM Wiretap
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Old 12-29-2012, 04:56 PM   #32 (permalink)
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If there was somebody trolling, it's one of the first people to join, since Raptor123 was created in December 2007. Carp joined later.
I couldn't imagine a troll making a secondary account to troll with. Life in mom and dads basement must be really lonely if that were the case. Regardless of who was here first or not, they're both making this place a much shittier place to visit
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I couldn't imagine a troll making a secondary account to troll with. Life in mom and dads basement must be really lonely if that were the case. Regardless of who was here first or not, they're both making this place a much shittier place to visit
You're a real peach too. Go whine elsewhere if you're unhappy. It's unfortunate we can't all bitch like the best of them.

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Old 12-29-2012, 05:17 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Thanks for changing your post carp. Appreciated.
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Old 12-29-2012, 05:20 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Thanks for changing your post carp. Appreciated.
You're welcome man, was my bad.


With regards to Bargnani, if he gets traded, that's fine. I just hope we don't get hosed. Casey was using him last year when we had less options, not sure why he want away from how he fit in. Bargnani too, it's on him for shooting so many long jumpers.

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Old 12-29-2012, 05:38 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Keep the team as is.....Team Ball it is guys....Pound the Rock as a team !!!!!! Lowry bought in last nite....i believe he can sustain it he has too and we need him too....thats leadership guys buying in and saying it is one thing going out there and doing it is another. Bargs will do the same ...its in his blood its his make up.....hes that guy we need that scorer the presence to support team ball......we need to take him off the hook that forced him to be something hes not and will prosper with our new mind set. It took injuries for many to see....Caldy showed them the way.....now its time for all to pound the Team Rock !!!!!!
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I couldn't imagine a troll making a secondary account to troll with. Life in mom and dads basement must be really lonely if that were the case. Regardless of who was here first or not, they're both making this place a much shittier place to visit
I disagree. I enjoy both you and Carp, for different reasons.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:49 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I disagree. I enjoy both you and Carp, for different reasons.
You're too kind, to me, of course. I imagine the other guy deserves your tenderness. Considering you're one of the finest posters on here, go on with your bad self.

I think JV's injury is going to force the Raps to utilize Bargnani a bit more when he comes back and maybe that helps to save us from a rushed decision. As much as we'd love a stud SF, chances are we'd end up with a guy much less able.
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When he does return, I dont ever want to see Bargnani and Calderon on the court at the same time. Our defense will really suffer
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Old 12-29-2012, 09:12 PM   #40 (permalink)
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He can go sit behind Acy
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