What's wrong with Amir? Should he be starting?
Old 12-12-2010, 10:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I like what Amir brings to the table ... effort, speed, good hands, team player, ... but, I think it's time for him to come in as the 6th man.

Another issue may be the fact he has good chemistry with Caldy, and with him being hurt we see limited effectiveness from Amir.

I would like to see Alabi come in early and see more minutes from Dorsey and Wright. We need Amir to be dominant on the defensive end, and given his lack of size/physical strength, similar patterns are starting again this year like last.

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The problem is who we start in place of him. We have Ed Davis, but he's still inexperienced. I would just stick with Amir in the starting lineup, because Calderon is going to come back soon (we think lol).
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Amir isn't the problem... he's fine to start, and he and AB are getting better together. Let them grow, allow Davis time.

The problem is the wings on this team. Start Wright and Barbosa. Let Weems and DD sit for a week. Kleiza as your 6th man lets him come in and find a rythym.
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Amir isn't the problem... he's fine to start, and he and AB are getting better together. Let them grow, allow Davis time.

The problem is the wings on this team. Start Wright and Barbosa. Let Weems and DD sit for a week. Kleiza as your 6th man lets him come in and find a rythym.
Agree with your assessment that Amir is not the problem. I certainly didn't intend to imply this. I just don't see him as a starter, but AB and Amir do at times have some chemistry. They don't complement eachother well on the defensive end ... they are both quite quiet.
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after week thinking about what the problem is, i realize, it's not the player himself. it's the effort of the team.

We see yesterday when they decide to play together and communicate, it's all fine.
so, maybe JTriano and the coaching staff should considere take some time with blind eyes on the practice.
a simple exercice to know where every body is and how to communicate.
the best exemple of miscommunication is the end of the game against denver, when weems and kleiza battle for the ball. they can win this one if they don't let this ball go out.

Communication is the key. They are a young team. many of the past season core are young (except jose and evans) and the new one are young too. they don't play for several years together.

make something, make them talk when a break in the game is on. like during FT or when the official talk together, etc...
We don't see a team on the court, we see some individualities who some times find each other.
see in the game yesterday, bayless in the first half have so much trouble find a teammate to give the ball.
and it's a problem, when you should pass the ball and instead you can just give it to the first who come.

maybe Triano should be first assistant coach and a new coach come here and make thing right.

But in the other side, Brow have trouble with talent in charlotte, avery johnson with young nets core, in phili too.
and OKC if now they are a good team, two years ago they was not.

stability in the core, stability in the coaching staff and a clear oraganisation should provide a best pathfor the future.

i don't say, that is not what it's now, but it take times.
And between the fan who want win for playoffs goal, fan who wants heart and a good futur, fan who don't believe anymore in this team, it's not so easy to find someone who can actually know what really happend in this team and club.

Amir for me, it's like a guy who have a huge potential, and he just have the starting job, and show that he can do it.
let's him adjust to his job.

let's them all adjust. but if BC make some moves, and bring other player in the miwx, maybe this team would need more time to adjust again.

they need stability, it's all. and a good communication.

i don't know if it's only me, but yesterday i heard triano make voice in the bench line to the court player. i know it'snot the first time, but he seems to me he was screaming more loud than usual in the 2nd half.

a coach who drive out of the floor, and one or two guy who lead in the floor, and that make all player look better, score and make defense more easy.
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plus make Bargnani put his arm in the air, and not along his body.
each time i see him make that, i'm screaming about it.
your hand/arm should move for ever in defense.
and he does not do that often enough.
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Agree with your assessment that Amir is not the problem. I certainly didn't intend to imply this. I just don't see him as a starter, but AB and Amir do at times have some chemistry. They don't complement eachother well on the defensive end ... they are both quite quiet.
you might be right, but I think they sem to be growing together on the defensive end.... the only thing that can test my theory though is time..... they need to play together more. Reggie's injury is allowing this to happen...

I like what Davis brings, but he doesn't need to be rushed..... I definitely think the three of them can actually build towards a longterm frontcourt now. An additional backup at the C position with size for cheap would be a good offseason find too.
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you might be right, but I think they sem to be growing together on the defensive end.... the only thing that can test my theory though is time..... they need to play together more. Reggie's injury is allowing this to happen...

I like what Davis brings, but he doesn't need to be rushed..... I definitely think the three of them can actually build towards a longterm frontcourt now. An additional backup at the C position with size for cheap would be a good offseason find too.
It might only be me, but I would like to see Alabi play some.
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It might only be me, but I would like to see Alabi play some.
I like his potential, but he's so raw.... who knows, he could be the ideal backup C for the next few years.... cheap, defensive, long, doesn't need touches.....
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he fouls too much to stay on the court for any longer than he does.
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Amir isn't the problem... he's fine to start, and he and AB are getting better together. Let them grow, allow Davis time.

The problem is the wings on this team. Start Wright and Barbosa. Let Weems and DD sit for a week. Kleiza as your 6th man lets him come in and find a rythym.
I can't stress this enough: Julian Wright is terrible! If he were playing any more than he is right now, you'd see the critical flaws in his game. He can't shoot, can't dribble, and can only finish plays when he's wide open. Weems in a huuuuge slump is better than Wright starting.
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I can't stress this enough: Julian Wright is terrible! If he were playing any more than he is right now, you'd see the critical flaws in his game. He can't shoot, can't dribble, and can only finish plays when he's wide open. Weems in a huuuuge slump is better than Wright starting.
We wouldn't be putting Wright in there to make plays like Lebron James, hes in there for defense and hustle... 2 things DeRozan and Weems can never bring.
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We wouldn't be putting Wright in there to make plays like Lebron James, hes in there for defense and hustle... 2 things DeRozan and Weems can never bring.
exactly.... When he's been in, he creates things.... we don't need him to score. It's not like Weems and DD are tearing it up offensively, and they are hurting this team defensively by not contributing.

Not saying Wright should be getting 30 minutes, but he should be getting more of Weems and DeRozan's minutes.

For the record, who cares about Weems' offensive numbers unless they are coming from putbacks, dunks, fastbreaks and halfcourt heaves. Far too many j's come out of the flow from SW.

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You guys are being really silly with your opinions about Julian Wright... two quarters of solid defense has really gone to your heads. Dude played 17 minutes yesterday and some of you are calling him to start? lol

Don't get me wrong, JW plays with a lot of energy, has good length, and is an overall decent defender. But he's no lock-down defender. I really think if Sonny Weems didn't focus so much on his offense then he could easily be as good defensively. Weems is smaller but also quicker.

JW is a guy we can bring off the bench if our team is getting hurt by a single player or need perimeter defense help. His biggest liability is his lack of offense. He's worse than Derozan offensively. Plus this thread is really about Amir. JW is too skinny to be a PF.

Toronto needs to acquire a defensive C and move Bargnani to PF. I'd trade either Amir or Ed Davis to do it. Whoever remains would be a good spark off the bench, preferably Amir. Raptors really need a C. Even having a guy like Love at PF wouldn't cut it. Love grabs a lot of rebounds but he couldn't defend guys like Amare, Dwight, Garnett, etc.

I'd recommend going after a guy like Marc Gasol or Nene.
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I'd recommend going after a guy like Marc Gasol or Nene.
As has been discussed several times already on this forum, Nene is a terrible idea. Yes, he is a good player, but he has implied that he will not play after his current contract expires.

I like Gasol, too. And, given how cheap Heisley can be, I held on to a slim hope that we might be able to grab him this summer. However, it looks like Memphis is going to ditch O.J. Mayo, which will make it much easier for Heisley to keep Gasol.
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As has been discussed several times already on this forum, Nene is a terrible idea. Yes, he is a good player, but he has implied that he will not play after his current contract expires.

I like Gasol, too. And, given how cheap Heisley can be, I held on to a slim hope that we might be able to grab him this summer. However, it looks like Memphis is going to ditch O.J. Mayo, which will make it much easier for Heisley to keep Gasol.
If that's the case I'd be happy to take Mayo. A backcourt of him and Bayless would be GREAT to build on.

I'm still hoping that we can snag Camby from the Blazers too at the deadline... *prays*
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If that's the case I'd be happy to take Mayo. A backcourt of him and Bayless would be GREAT to build on.

I'm still hoping that we can snag Camby from the Blazers too at the deadline... *prays*
Why on earth do the Raps need Camby?

A 37 year old C making 9 million a year is not what a rebuilding squad needs.
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Why on earth do the Raps need Camby?

A 37 year old C making 9 million a year is not what a rebuilding squad needs.
and why would the blazers give him away when they've already lost oden and need all the big man help they can get
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and why would the blazers give him away when they've already lost oden and need all the big man help they can get
there's been talk that they may blow it all up..... with the injuries to Oden and Roy, it must seem hard to think they can still contend.
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