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Old 07-17-2010, 12:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It seems like a lot of people have issues with Colangelo's movements over the last couple of years. My question is what would you have done instead? I don't want to hear general statements like "no euro players" or "i'd get a center". I want to hear about certain players that were available to us with the cap space we had. Also, some plausible trades , no ("We could've traded Jose for Kobe when Jose was doing good")


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1) We should've gone after John Salmons harder during BC's first summer. We had a deal in place and then he walked. If we gave a little more money we could've gotten him, instead of Fred Jones >> Juan Dixon >> Primoz Brezec
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Drafting Brandon Roy:facepalm:
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Old 07-17-2010, 01:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Drafting Brandon Roy:facepalm:
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That would've been great. But he wasn't in the front of that draft class in 2006. 5 other teams passed on him including teams that have decent GM's including Chicago, Atlanta and Portland passed on him the first time.
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Old 07-17-2010, 01:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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It seems like a lot of people have issues with Colangelo's movements over the last couple of years. My question is what would you have done instead? I don't want to hear general statements like "no euro players" or "i'd get a center". I want to hear about certain players that were available to us with the cap space we had. Also, some plausible trades , no ("We could've traded Jose for Kobe when Jose was doing good")


I'll Start.

1) We should've gone after John Salmons harder during BC's first summer. We had a deal in place and then he walked. If we gave a little more money we could've gotten him, instead of Fred Jones >> Juan Dixon >> Primoz Brezec
We gave salmons the most money we could, mle. He chose to sign for the same amount in Sacramento, after god informed him that Canada is not on the approved list of countries. You can't argue with god's will ...
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We gave salmons the most money we could, mle. He chose to sign for the same amount in Sacramento, after god informed him that Canada is not on the approved list of countries. You can't argue with god's will ...
ha! that's true.

But I don't think we were using the MLE on him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought MLE was only available when you are already above the cap going into the off season? Even if you don't re-sign players to put you above the cap, as long as you already were above the cap. And we weren't above the cap since we got rid of jalen rose and mourning came off the books.

Either way, the possibility of him not wanting to play in Canada doesn't seem far-fetched.
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ha! that's true.

But I don't think we were using the MLE on him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought MLE was only available when you are already above the cap going into the off season? Even if you don't re-sign players to put you above the cap, as long as you already were above the cap. And we weren't above the cap since we got rid of jalen rose and mourning came off the books.

Either way, the possibility of him not wanting to play in Canada doesn't seem far-fetched.
That's right, we probably offered him whatever we had left under the cap, that year was the last time we've been under.
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Old 07-17-2010, 03:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Would've looked for a better offer for the Carter trade. The players we got back were scrubs and were gone in a year or two. I don't have any names, but if Babcock(I'm pretty sure he was GM at the time) was more patient we could've gotten more out of a different offer to benefit the future, like the Bosh trade.

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Old 07-17-2010, 03:48 AM   #8 (permalink)
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We gave salmons the most money we could, mle. He chose to sign for the same amount in Sacramento, after god informed him that Canada is not on the approved list of countries. You can't argue with god's will ...
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ha! that's true.

But I don't think we were using the MLE on him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought MLE was only available when you are already above the cap going into the off season? Even if you don't re-sign players to put you above the cap, as long as you already were above the cap. And we weren't above the cap since we got rid of jalen rose and mourning came off the books.

Either way, the possibility of him not wanting to play in Canada doesn't seem far-fetched.
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That's right, we probably offered him whatever we had left under the cap, that year was the last time we've been under.
Salmons was offered a portion of the cap space. It amounted to just under the MLE in 2006. But when BC took over he had a few roster spots to fill. Technically, BC could have offered Salmons a greater portion of the cap space, but that would have been a difficult thing to do at that time. Although a bigger offer might have changed God's mind, it would have complicated the other moves BC was negotiating. The Salmons signing was based partly on perceived potential. BC saw something in him and thought he could perform well if given starter's minutes and a bigger role. Salmons was not being used properly in Philly. Since Salmons had not yet proven himself to be a solid, consistent NBA starter, paying more for him would have been hard to justify.

The funny thing is, Salmons didn't like the "situation" in Toronto, but he probably would have been better off. He went to Sacramento and didn't immediately blossom. The Kings didn't give him the role he needed to prove what he can do. He only emerged as a legit starter after the Kings started to gut their roster. And, financially speaking, Salmons hardly made any additional money by going to Sacramento. The total value of his 5 year contract with the Kings was $2 million more than the proposed contract with Toronto. But taxes ate into that money. California has some ridiculously high state income taxes. And they have a couple of additional state taxes for citizens making in excess of $1 million in a fiscal year.

Anyways, two weeks after Salmons initially backed out of the S&T to Toronto, ESPN covered the story. Here is a link:

LINK - ESPN

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Old 07-17-2010, 04:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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traded down a couple spots in the draft to get Rudy Gay (player who I thought would go #1 overall before the draft)
getting Hickson in 08 (not wanting JO)
why did we have no 07 pick?
09 draft - same
10 draft - same
keeping our picks in general
not signing Hedo but doing to JO for Marion trade without the future pick

don't know about all the FA's and things, too difficult to look back

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traded down a couple spots in the draft to get Rudy Gay (player who I thought would go #1 overall before the draft)
getting Hickson in 07 (not wanting JO)
why did we have no 08 pick?
09 draft - same
10 draft - same
keeping our picks in general
not signing Hedo but doing to JO for Marion trade without the future pick

don't know about all the FA's and things, too difficult to look back
The Raps didn't have a pick in 07'. The 07' pick was traded away by Grunwald as part of the Lemon Murray acquisition. The JO deal was for the 08' pick (Hibbert), not the 07' pick.
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The Raps didn't have a pick in 07'. The 07' pick was traded away by Grunwald as part of the Lemon Murray acquisition. The JO deal was for the 08' pick (Hibbert), not the 07' pick.
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Old 07-17-2010, 06:17 AM   #12 (permalink)
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So in other words with hindsight none of you could do better?
So get off his back.
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Old 07-17-2010, 07:51 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Draft Andre Igoudala.
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I feel bad. It's entirely wrong that I should have ever expected our glorious GM to have gotten any kind of results in four years, going on five.
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Draft Andre Igoudala.
You realize that was under Babcock, right?
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I feel bad. It's entirely wrong that I should have ever expected our glorious GM to have gotten any kind of results in four years, going on five.
Sarcasm aside - we've tried this very mental exercise in the other thread, with slightly better results, but nothing spectacular, really. Perhaps we are just not that creative when it comes down to constructive criticism?

Anyway, as I've said before, I'd have pressed ahead with the internationalization of the team and gotten rid of Mitchell a year earlier, replacing him with Messina or Blatt or Hernandez.
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should have traded Bosh a year ago and kept JO 1.5 years ago.
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should have traded Bosh a year ago and kept JO 1.5 years ago.
What do you think Bosh would have fetched last summer? And why'd you keep JO?
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traded down a couple spots in the draft to get Rudy Gay (player who I thought would go #1 overall before the draft)
getting Hickson in 08 (not wanting JO)
why did we have no 07 pick?
09 draft - same
10 draft - same
keeping our picks in general
not signing Hedo but doing to JO for Marion trade without the future pick

don't know about all the FA's and things, too difficult to look back
I would've kept Marion and not traded for Hedo as well. Marion suited our team better and I can live without signing Jarett Jack for the MLE. But we' could've taken back Carlos Delfino who to me can still be an effective back up point guard if harnessed correctly.

Then package Jose and someone else to get a better point guard. Remember this was before Jose's defensive woes became evident to the entire league.

But BC bought into the Hedo Hype and I think most of us did too. Also, we were building around Bosh at the moment...so in hindsight that was a mistake, but no one was correcting him.
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