Yuksek

JO came off the books for 20 million, giving us the cap space to go after one of the big three. I would've kept Bosh, and then try to attract LBJ or Dwade to come play here. Remember Bosh wouldn't go to Cleveland because it was Cleveland it seems and I think Toronto with a decent supporting cast for Bosh and one of Wade and LBJ would've trumped Miami as the spot to be.

ColangeloIsGod

Two playoff appearances,(we've had 5 in 15 years) one division title(the only one in our history), two years missed the playoffs by one game.

No results huh? :facepalm: Give me a break.

Snooch

Bosh would have fetched capspace and youth at a minimum.

without looking it up I remember sumors involving GS and OKC.

Keep to fill the hole at pf temporarily and provide defense beside Bargs.
And not to mention his 20+ million dollar 2010 expiring.

MikeToronto

You seriously think that Toronto had a snowball's chance in hell of attracting one of Wade/James when the opportunity was there for all three to play in Miami? You, my friend, are delusional.

Seriously, go talk to the fans of NY, NJ or Chicago, they will have a lot to say about your optimistic prognosis.

MikeToronto

As it were, Bosh has fetched us something akin to cap space in TE (depending on how one wants to use it, of course) and two picks.

IMHO, no team would have traded for Bosh last summer without him immediately signing an extension with that team. And he wouldn't have, bot with the teams you've mentioned. If Lakers were ever serious about Bosh for Bynum swap, I could have at least believed that. Any other "deal" was pure fiction.

Dark Knight

Oh boy! I love these kinda threads!

1) Draft Roy in 2006
2) Trade T.J. for Gerald Wallace (was rumored at the time)
3) Trade Jose for Bynum (Remember, Bynum wasnt that great back then and the Lakers were thinking of moving him)
4) Draft Hibbert in 2008
5) Draft Jennings in 2009

Then I would do the following moves BC made:

6) Sign Jack with the MLE
7) Trade Roko and Delfino for Weems and Amir
8) Kapono for Evans

Jennings/Jack
Roy/Weems/AP
Wallace/Kleiza/Graham
Bosh/Amir/Evans
Bynum/Hibbert/Rasho

Windex

hindsight is a beautiful thing

Yuksek

That's under the assumption that Wade, LBJ, and Bosh decided on Miami well before, which I don't believe for a second.

If Bosh knew Toronto had the cap space to go after Wade or Lebron then he could've encouraged them to come. NJ, NY, had zero supporting cast.

As well, you missed the biggest point, if we didn't give them JO they wouldn't have had space to go after all three, meaning all teams would've been in the same spot. No team could"ve landed all three, no one wanted to go to Cleveland and thus Toronto would have been a better option than Miami.

ColangeloIsGod

The whole "I would have drafted Roy" or "I would have drafted Gay" at #1 is pure nonsense, no you wouldn't have, and no one else would have either. It's pretty much the same thing as saying "I would have drafted Rondo" at #1.

Bill Haverchuck

1 -NJ had/has Brook Lopez. Aside from maybe Noah, that is the most intriguing piece any team with cap space could offer the "big 3." The "big 3" need an all-star calibre Center and some outside shooting in order to become one of the most dominant teams of all time. NJ could have provided that. The Nets could have offered them Lopez, and then the nets have a handful of trading chips to get outside shooting. The Nets had Favours (#3 pick in the draft) and Devin Harris to offer up in trades for other complementary pieces.
No, no, no, Bargnani, Jose, Derozan, and Jack are NOT as valuable as Brook Lopez, Devin Harris, #3 pick in 2010 draft, Terrance Williams, Courteny Lee.

2 - As for him "missing the biggest point." You need to stop and think before making those accusations. Marion's contract would have expired for Miami anyway. Riley was planning for the 2010 FA bonanza since 2009 when the JO deal happened. So, if Riley didn't do the JO deal, he just would have let Marion expire, and then refused to sign any new players for more than 1 year. If the JO trade never happened, the contract of Marcus Banks is the only thing that would have ate into Miami's cap space. However, that still would not have prevented them from signing the big 3. And that's assuming Riley couldn't get rid of Marcus. But I think Riley easily could have shed that contract, since it expires this year. Riley was able to give Cook away with the 18th pick. At the February trade deadline, Riley could have approached teams and offered them Banks, cash to pay for part of Banks's 2010-2011 salary, and a future 1st rounder, in exchange for a contract that expired by this summer. In a nutshell, a team trading with Riley would have been getting a future 1st rounder for under $3 million, since Riley would have been sending cash to cover most of Banks' 2010-2011 contract. If Riley made that offer around the trade deadline, a couple of teams would have jumped on it. They would be getting a draft pick at very little cost. And if a team didn't bite immediately, Riley could have offered an additional 2nd rounder since he had a couple of those. Cash + future 1st rounder + 2nd rounder would have been enough to trade Banks for an expiring player.

Worst case scenario, Riley would have also had to use the 2010 18th pick he gave up in the Cook deal in order to shed Banks. In that case, Miami loses $2 mill in cap space because they have to keep Cook. WOW. That sure spoils the whole plan!

NO. You've bought into what stupid writers say. The JO deal would NOT have stopped the signing of the big 3. If a random internet guy like me can think of very easy and plausible ways to come up with the same cap space, you can be DAMN sure that guys who are paid to do this for a living will come up with equally successful strategies, if not better ones.

The JO trade is irrelevant when it comes to the "big 3" getting signed in Miami. All the JO trade did was change the specifics of how it happened. Oh, and what teams got in S&T deals. If Miami didn't had Toronto's pick to give back, we'd be getting a different future Miami 1st rounder. And in a couple of years, Miami will probably be a 65 win team, so the Raps probably missed out on a 29th or 30th pick.

LX

Yeah - I was wrong to think he would do anything more than Glen Grunwald. Believe me - I facepalm myself for ever having any kind of expectations as far as BC is concerned.

MikeToronto

ArmChairGM, you are my "brother from another mother".

Claudius

Simply starting in 2006:

I would've drafted Bargs and I would'be done the same with the Garbo signing, however go a few steps further and sign Toni Kukoc to the coaching staff (teach nuances of the NBA game) or if he wouldn't come and the coaching staff wanted to play him at the C gone after Vlade Divac (somewhat of a similar skill set). With Bargs it would've been about developing him along and learning from successful European NBA players.

FA wise, to add toughness to this team, likely target Matt Harpring, Pryzabilla as well as the AP signing.

Trade wise, I'd move Charlie V for Mo Williams and not TJ (if it was available) as he would've addressed a lack of scoring plus if you're running your offense in and out I like to have some shooters out there and Mo had always shown he could hit the 3.

The Haffa for Hump trade I'd keep. The Bonner/Eric Williams combo I'd see if I could pry Antonio Daniels from Washington as a combo guard.

So that team would've looked like:

Mo/Jose/Daniels/Martin
AP/Peterson/Daniels
Garbo/Harpring/Graham
Bosh/Barg/Garbo/Hump
Pryz/Bargs

Not much scoring there but it'd be about establishing a culture of hard work and defense.

As you could tell I started this in 2006 but that's what I would've done. Hard exercise without using hind sight to be hones with you.

MikeToronto

Claudius, major props for honest and realistic effort. Would you think your team could have been better than what has actually transpired?

Yuksek

What was keeping colangelo from trying to do the same thing? We're looking for what we would have done differently. I would've kept JO to have cap space this summer to go after a max player. I may have failed, but NJ, NY and Chi all tried to do the same and lost out to Riley.

If you believe that Riley wouldn't have signed anyone after marion expired, then we could've done the same thing. So what's your point? We didn't do those things. Great, guess what? That's what this thread is about.

Claudius

Mike, likely worse, for that season simply because there isn't enough fire power on that squad to compete, however, it would've all been about establishing a certain tough nosed culture. Also, it provides me a built in excuse to fire Sam or let him go at the end of the year.

At the end of the year I look to bring in Rick Adelman and throw a lot of money at Messina to be his lead assistant. I know it's all about Bosh resigning that year but I worry about that when it comes.

Yuksek

This team would've been fun

rapsmannn

I guess its easy to say when you know what happens


I have a question for the Bryan Colangelo Haters

why was he good enough to build a championship calibur team with PHX who was a Steve Nash body check away from the championship by Robert Horry

there is Atlantic Division banner hanging in the rafters the only one the Raptors have

he has done it before why can't he do it again?

everyone needs to relax the Bosh era is over, we all need to hang back and let BC go to work it was always going to be a failed experiment trying build around Bosh as a franchise which now many fans, media members and raptor organization now admits

what about those Sacremento Kings? they had those great teams CWebb,Divac, Peja, Bibby also in the past and came from hero Robert Horry shot from winning a championship also

they've had a miserable time trying to build a team since then and were in the lottery for years, but did they go fire Geoff Petrie because he wasnt winning anymore no they didn't they let him stay and he went on to draft Tyreke Evans, Cassapi, Thompson, and now Cousins there future is bright


everyone judges BC because we haven't won in a long time thanks to babcock, so BC is geting judged with them when he shouldn't be because he built a team capable of winning a championship, you cant judge him on what he did in Toronto you have to take what he did in PHX also, what happens if Geoff Petrie got fired in the middle of there losing would they still have Tyreke Evans or would they have drafted Munroe over Cousins,

all i'm saying is ya he makes mistakes, sometimes big ones, but he also has great moves in him, your telling me who can we get better, every great G.M has made mistakes, you just have to be patient and let him find the right players you know he works his ass off on the phones making deals happen

honestly if MLSE fired him, do we trust them to bring in another guy as good as him viewing on past experience of hte Raptors none of hte G.M's built nba championship Calibur teams, so probably wont happen and the raps will suck for another decade