What would it take to get Wiggins?
Old 07-17-2013, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
at MSG failing a pointless 360 degree dunk during a losing streak

Lackey
 
Deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,812
Representing:
Default What would it take to get Wiggins?

This is going to sound off the charts, but it comes from thinking the organization is going to be patient at first and then force the issue........

What kind of assets would it take to get Wiggins here? He's worth more to us than any other franchise and may become the only superstar who has ever preferred Toronto. I'm also having a hard time not seeing him as a 30 ppg guy in the NBA.

Currently we have our 2014, 2015, 2016 and NY's 2016 1st round picks. Can any of Gay, Derozan and a healthy Lowry each get us a 1st rounder? Likely.

Can a team pass up, say Derozan, three 2014 1st round picks, a 2015 1st rounder and NY's 2016 pick for Wiggins? I wouldn't, but I'd have to consider it as a GM of a cash-challenged team.

The reason I ask is I wonder if it is actually a better strategy to build up your players, move them for picks (hopefully some lottery) one by one and still hold on to JV. The Houston rockets tinkered with picks and assets and made their team a destination.

Even with the cupboard empty, a base of JV and Wiggins can be very, very useful in attracting free agents to a team that is willing to spend big time. Had Cleveland or OKC spent money, they might have been champions by now.

I know Ujiri is patient, but I am having a very, very hard time seeing Leiweke waiting on some 5-7 year plan to unfold or becoming a destination. He might snap long before that.
I actually prefer the steady build, but it's this kind of off the charts move that they might end up making that makes them heroes or goats in the end.
Deez is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
Keep it simple

Senior Member
 
Dario's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 9,614
Representing:
Send a message via Skype™ to Dario
Default

everything
Dario is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
grabbin boards, droppin dimes, and lightin them up

Senior Member
 
Alex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,258
Representing:
Default

We aren't going to have those picks.
Alex is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
at MSG failing a pointless 360 degree dunk during a losing streak

Lackey
 
Deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,812
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex View Post
We aren't going to have those picks.
Then JV and any assets accumulated would be the toll.

May be time to stop dreaming.

But then again, NY just gave up a 1st and 2 2nds for Bargnani. Anything is possible.

Last edited by Deez; 07-17-2013 at 07:37 PM.
Deez is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:37 PM   #5 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,788
Representing:
Default

You aren't going to trade for Wiggins. Unless he has a horrible year or suffers a major injury or has major off court incidents and falls in the draft.

If you are a team that's bad enough to be able to win the draft, and you win (likely) the draft of the decade, you don't trade the game changing prospect for some spare parts that would get you to mediocrity.

It's like asking would Cleveland have taken Mo-Pete and some picks for LeBron. No, probably not.
woodchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:38 PM   #6 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 224
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammo View Post
Then JV and any assets accumulated would be the toll.

May be time to stop dreaming.
yeah pretty much, its nearly an impossible signing, so many teams want him like a lebron. hes so overhyped (not in a bad way) i mean like every team wants him. those that are tanking have to race by the lottery basis. Raptors are no way in there at all.
gustavochinzy is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:47 PM   #7 (permalink)
LOG
Is sick and tired of Casey

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 10,740
Representing:
Default

that would be very interesting. Say we trade Gay for highest possible 2014 pick, Derozan and Lowry for 2014or 2015 picks... Tank, if you don't win the Lottery you still have top 10 or so pick, Plus whatever DD, Gay, Lowry picks return is. You than package top10(ours)+ Gay, Lowry, DD picks (maybe even NY 2016) and trade for Wiggins. If By whatever strange reason they don't do it you than draft best available players and Sign FA's with crazy amounts of capspace :cookie:

Last edited by LOG; 07-17-2013 at 07:54 PM.
LOG is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
at MSG failing a pointless 360 degree dunk during a losing streak

Lackey
 
Deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,812
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodchuck View Post
You aren't going to trade for Wiggins. Unless he has a horrible year or suffers a major injury or has major off court incidents and falls in the draft.

If you are a team that's bad enough to be able to win the draft, and you win (likely) the draft of the decade, you don't trade the game changing prospect for some spare parts that would get you to mediocrity.

It's like asking would Cleveland have taken Mo-Pete and some picks for LeBron. No, probably not.
I'm telling you guys, Leiweke is going to choke some guys and throw the rest under the bus. And he can't seem to shut up.

Anyway, 2 things.

1. Does that change if it is not Mo-Pete and some spare parts, but rather JV and 3 1st rounders?

2. Moving guys for picks may end up being beneficial in the end anyway.
For Harden, a known stud commodity the trade was....

Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder
for Harden and two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City.

Never say never.
Deez is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 07:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
LOG
Is sick and tired of Casey

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 10,740
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodchuck View Post
You aren't going to trade for Wiggins. Unless he has a horrible year or suffers a major injury or has major off court incidents and falls in the draft.

If you are a team that's bad enough to be able to win the draft, and you win (likely) the draft of the decade, you don't trade the game changing prospect for some spare parts that would get you to mediocrity.

It's like asking would Cleveland have taken Mo-Pete and some picks for LeBron. No, probably not.
Yes but imagine if Wiggins says that he want's to play for Raps(couple more times) than teams will start wondering if he is going to resign.
That's where we come in and try to offer amazing package that you can't really say no to.. Having said that, I know it's all speculation at this point.
LOG is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
is all bout dat life

Can't knock the Hustle
 
Nites's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 15,083
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammo View Post
Then JV and any assets accumulated would be the toll.

May be time to stop dreaming.

But then again, NY just gave up a 1st and 2 2nds for Bargnani. Anything is possible.
Nites is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:16 PM   #11 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,788
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammo View Post
I'm telling you guys, Leiweke is going to choke some guys and throw the rest under the bus. And he can't seem to shut up.

Anyway, 2 things.

1. Does that change if it is not Mo-Pete and some spare parts, but rather JV and 3 1st rounders?

2. Moving guys for picks may end up being beneficial in the end anyway.
For Harden, a known stud commodity the trade was....

Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations to the Thunder
for Harden and two 2013 first-round picks (from Dallas and Toronto) to Oklahoma City.

Never say never.
That's an incomparable situation. Harden was traded salary reasons not because it was a good basketball move.

If Wiggins lives up to his hype in college, he's not going to get traded for parts. Even if one of them is a maybe future all star like Jonas.
woodchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
Waiting for DD's 1st in game wind mill Dunk

Senior Member

 
halphbreedballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: T.O.
Posts: 4,879
Representing:
Default

You could trade DeRozan if he has a solid season + Ross & every pick we have for Wiggins IMO
halphbreedballer is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:28 PM   #13 (permalink)
at MSG failing a pointless 360 degree dunk during a losing streak

Lackey
 
Deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,812
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodchuck View Post
That's an incomparable situation. Harden was traded salary reasons not because it was a good basketball move.

If Wiggins lives up to his hype in college, he's not going to get traded for parts. Even if one of them is a maybe future all star like Jonas.
You're right. It is an incomparable situation. That's why I'm suggesting a lot more than OKC got for Harden. That was the best deal they got from the whole league.

Having said that, if you stockpile enough assets, good things can happen. If they don't think this is the core that will ultimately make them a contender, a refusal to trade Wiggins would not mean all is lost. They'd likely still be looking at several picks and several options.

There will also be teams in worse financial shape than OKC was and Toronto is owned by 2 corporations that made over 4 billion in profit last year and now run by a guy who may be the biggest egomaniac ever to hit this city.

Last edited by Deez; 07-17-2013 at 08:32 PM.
Deez is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:37 PM   #14 (permalink)
If I ruled the world...

Sippin' On Myself
 
KoolAid's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Yes
Posts: 3,620
Representing:
Default

Hope to be Chicago or Cleveland.
KoolAid is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 08:49 PM   #15 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,788
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ammo View Post
You're right. It is an incomparable situation. That's why I'm suggesting a lot more than OKC got for Harden. That was the best deal they got from the whole league.

Having said that, if you stockpile enough assets, good things can happen. If they don't think this is the core that will ultimately make them a contender, a refusal to trade Wiggins would not mean all is lost. They'd likely still be looking at several picks and several options.

There will also be teams in worse financial shape than OKC was and Toronto is owned by 2 corporations that made over 4 billion in profit last year and now run by a guy who may be the biggest egomaniac ever to hit this city.
Selling parts and stockpiling assets / picks is a fine strategy and I think that's what the Raptors should do.

Trading for Wiggins though is a pipe dream unless he busts in some way.
woodchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:00 PM   #16 (permalink)
Waiting for DD's 1st in game wind mill Dunk

Senior Member

 
halphbreedballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: T.O.
Posts: 4,879
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by woodchuck View Post
Selling parts and stockpiling assets / picks is a fine strategy and I think that's what the Raptors should do.

Trading for Wiggins though is a pipe dream unless he busts in some way.
If he busts on purpose he will be traded
halphbreedballer is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:02 PM   #17 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 1,788
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by halphbreedballer View Post
If he busts on purpose he will be traded
What are we talking about here?
woodchuck is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:11 PM   #18 (permalink)
Has "it"

Senior Member
 
Ataf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: St. Catharines
Posts: 1,798
Representing:
Send a message via Skype™ to Ataf
Default

Even if we were the worst team it's still very unlikely to get no.1 pick/Wiggins. Soo you'd have to tank(to be the worst team in the league). Do some illegal 'money under the table' stuff with Wiggins to reject any other offer from the draft to play with us, assuming the likely position we wont get no.1 pick.

Maybe we'd have to trade all our players for another top 5 pick, and ask that team illegally to suck for us.

Don't get me wrong ... worst team is the likeliest to get no.1 pick. Doesn't make it likely that it will be the case in the end. The worst team in the league has 75% chance of NOT going first.
Ataf is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:22 PM   #19 (permalink)
at MSG failing a pointless 360 degree dunk during a losing streak

Lackey
 
Deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: The Mighty North Tundra
Posts: 3,812
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ataf View Post
Even if we were the worst team it's still very unlikely to get no.1 pick/Wiggins. Soo you'd have to tank(to be the worst team in the league). Do some illegal 'money under the table' stuff with Wiggins to reject any other offer from the draft to play with us, assuming the likely position we wont get no.1 pick.

Maybe we'd have to trade all our players for another top 5 pick, and ask that team illegally to suck for us.

Don't get me wrong ... worst team is the likeliest to get no.1 pick. Doesn't make it likely that it will be the case in the end. The worst team in the league has 75% chance of NOT going first.
Totally agree on the percentages. Not only do you have to try your best to stink, but then you get only a 25% chance at #1. I actually can't say that is higher odds than some team taking a spectacular package for Wiggins. Only difference is one team stinks and still doesn't get #1 and the other team misses out on #1 but has a number of valuable assets and spending money.

As for that freaky stuff. While I wouldn't be surprised if Leiweke is in the mafia, that cloak and dagger Dwayne Wad, Pat Reilly stuff would be after Wiggins rookie deal if we can't get him here before that.
Deez is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2013, 09:38 PM   #20 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
Kirby's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 6,816
Representing:
Default

For starters, a shitty team composition for losses.
Kirby is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24