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Old 04-23-2014, 01:55 PM   #581 (permalink)
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if i were kidd, i would start plumlee against jv and let kg wreak havoc against pp and amir.
Cue Plumlee fouling out in the 1st Q.
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Old 04-23-2014, 01:57 PM   #582 (permalink)
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Cue Plumlee fouling out in the 1st Q.
no prob. plums in the 1st, kg in the 2nd, throw blatche in there in the 3rd, and the kg again in the 4th. kg's not exactly stopping jv, and he's more effective against smaller guys.
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if i were kidd, i would start plumlee against jv and let kg wreak havoc against pp and amir.
I'd love it. Plumlee is a foul machine. Get him in foul trouble and they have no one else behind KG. PP and Amir would run KG ragged.
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Old 04-23-2014, 03:50 PM   #584 (permalink)
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We shot better than them from 3 during the season, and have shot almost as badly as them from 3 in the series so far (and significantly worse in game 2). One would think our poor perimeter shooting is just as unsustainable as their's. And I believe the rebounding differential is more sustainable than the TOV's. In-season we only averaged 14 TOV's against the Nets, with the worst game being 18 turnovers. I doubt the TOV's keep up. I expect 16 or less per game from here on in.

And running Garnett ragged would be great for the Raps. His effectiveness would probably plummet with too many minutes.
the games against them in the regular season count for nothing, except the last two maybe, but even that is not fully relevant. Reason being that they were not playing this style of defense in the early part of the season, they were on a B2B in every game against us and they were resting their key guys a bit more.

I don't claim we'll be 20+ turnovers every game going forward, just as we're not going to have a 20+ rebounds advantage every game. I do expect 16-18 turnovers (very high by our standards accounting for the reduced pace) and around 10+ more rebounds.

The 3pt area though, there's a big difference. Yes, we've been a good 3pt shooting team in the regular season too, but a large reason for that were the large number of fairly open corner shots for our TRoss and Salmons and Patterson. Against the nets we're getting zero open shots. I believe we will continue to shoot poorly from 3, unless we find a way to open up the game a bit and generate some drive and kick. On the other hand, they are still getting a decent number of open 3s, they're just missing them. So for that reason, I expect the 3pt differential to be a problem for us going forward.
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Mehhh! Brooklyn and Toronto are pretty close in talent imo.
I didn't say they are clearly the MUCH better team, just clearly better. We won the about same number of games during the regular season (accounting for their tanking job), but they conserved the minutes for their key players and had tons of injuries the first two months.

They still have a major ace in the hole which they didn't play yet. They can, if need be, give pierce 40mpg. He may not be able to play that much and they're probably trying to keep him fresh for what they're hoping will be a long playoff run. But if pressed against the wall, they will throw everything at us. Without pierce, we are the better team, so the number of minutes he plays at a good level has a major influence on which team will come up ahead.
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the games against them in the regular season count for nothing, except the last two maybe, but even that is not fully relevant. Reason being that they were not playing this style of defense in the early part of the season, they were on a B2B in every game against us and they were resting their key guys a bit more.

I don't claim we'll be 20+ turnovers every game going forward, just as we're not going to have a 20+ rebounds advantage every game. I do expect 16-18 turnovers (very high by our standards accounting for the reduced pace) and around 10+ more rebounds.

The 3pt area though, there's a big difference. Yes, we've been a good 3pt shooting team in the regular season too, but a large reason for that were the large number of fairly open corner shots for our TRoss and Salmons and Patterson. Against the nets we're getting zero open shots. I believe we will continue to shoot poorly from 3, unless we find a way to open up the game a bit and generate some drive and kick. On the other hand, they are still getting a decent number of open 3s, they're just missing them. So for that reason, I expect the 3pt differential to be a problem for us going forward.
I don't see why you would expect their turnovers to not reflect the in-season play, but would expect the rebounding to regress to in-season play values. And yes, we've gotten some open 3's as well, that we've failed to convert. Ross in particular.
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Mehhh! Brooklyn and Toronto are pretty close in talent imo.
Well you have Dwill, and Joe Johnson, PP and KG past their prime but still as key players. I think they have more talent than us, not to mention AK47 off the bench who is a very good player and Blatch who is a good player as well, and was solid with Washington 2-3 years ago. They underperformed during the regular season - yes, but to say we are pretty close it's a stretch.
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most 3 shots Raptors took, i was happy with. Ross particularly had couple great looks off screens that he normally makes. the fact Raptors only made 2 and still won, surprised the shit out of me.
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Well you have Dwill, and Joe Johnson, PP and KG past their prime but still as key players. I think they have more talent than us, not to mention AK47 off the bench who is a very good player and Blatch who is a good player as well, and was solid with Washington 2-3 years ago. They underperformed during the regular season - yes, but to say we are pretty close it's a stretch.
AK47 is a shadow of what he was in Utah plus he missed a lot of time and can't handle heavy minutes any more. Blatch was such a good player in Washington that they amnestied him. Lot's of talent, lot's of brain cramps.
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I don't see why you would expect their turnovers to not reflect the in-season play, but would expect the rebounding to regress to in-season play values. And yes, we've gotten some open 3's as well, that we've failed to convert. Ross in particular.
actually, I said both would be regressing, and not vs the regular season, but vs the last game. 20+ rebounds is an insane edge, no way that can be maintained for the series. 20+ turnovers is likewise pretty uncommon, so it will fall down some. I make no comparison to the regular season because I don't think it's very relevant for the reasons I stated. Another reason is that teams play differently in the regular season, you wouldn't expect Philly to be in a close contest with Miami because they split the regular season series, would you?

As for the 3s, we'll see how it goes - I'd be happy if that's the case. From where I was watching, i saw a lot more open 3s missed on their end than on ours, but I didn't count them, so maybe I was wrong. All in all, to me it seemed they score a lot easier than we do, and that was the case pretty much for nearly every quarter in this series.
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Isnt this the What Theyre saying thread?:jack:
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Isnt this the What Theyre saying thread?:jack:
yeah it is, cause moremilk at this point shits on the raps more than brooklyn fans.
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no prob. plums in the 1st, kg in the 2nd, throw blatche in there in the 3rd, and the kg again in the 4th. kg's not exactly stopping jv, and he's more effective against smaller guys.
You ask me, KG is hurting them not helping them.
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AK47 is a shadow of what he was in Utah plus he missed a lot of time and can't handle heavy minutes any more. Blatch was such a good player in Washington that they amnestied him. Lot's of talent, lot's of brain cramps.
How dare you say that about the 2012-2013 Euroleague MVP and DPOY!

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AK47 is a shadow of what he was in Utah plus he missed a lot of time and can't handle heavy minutes any more. Blatch was such a good player in Washington that they amnestied him. Lot's of talent, lot's of brain cramps.
AK 47 was surprisingly effective in Minnesota, he's far from a shadow. I think that the role he has in Brooklyn doesn't suit him

Once players understand not to jump for blatches fakes he becomes nutured.
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It's the eve of game 3, and things are getting feisty

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Before Game 1: "Ross will shut down JJ. He's our best defender!"

After Game 1: "Ross was in foul trouble and nervous. He will shut down JJ when the refs let him play!"

Before Game 2: "Fields will shut down Pierce. He's our better defender"

After Game 2: "Fields shut down JJ like we all expected!"

This was why I preferred the Bulls series. Bulls fans have been there and done that. They don't act like their OKC or Miami because they won a Top 3 seed.

Fields did nothing special. His greatest play was a deflection leading to a Lowry after a lazy pass. Credit to him for that. However, JJ has abused LeBron, Marion, George, Tony Allen and Igoudala one on one. I highly doubt Fields will be so hard for him to figure out.
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We'll adjust to Fields on JJ by having Johnson embarrass him. That match up did not occur until late in the game after Kidd killed our momentum by running our bench for an unwarranted amount of time in the 4th.

Go ahead and feel confident about that bum Landry Fields. Johnson has taken on better defenders than Fields and he took a **** on them.
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Raptor fans are really letting out their emotions over on their board; you can definitely tell by the comments and pictures that they must be children.
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blaming the refs before the series starts, saying the NBA "gifted" us extra rest. these are clown comments.

there are always multiple days between games in the first round. The NBA wants to monopolize on every game, so they need to stagger them. during the week there are only 2 primetime slots, 8 pm est and 8 pm pst. so they cant just have to space it out where only 2 or so games are played each night. on the weekend they can run the full slate, which is why there is only 1 game between games 3 and 4.

you make it sounds like some conspiracy, when this happens every single year to every single team.
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Good lord, I can't really wait till we wrap up this series so these insufferable, ignorant craps fans fck the sheit off once & for all.
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What I wanna know is who are these fans who expected Fields to shut anyone down before game 2
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What I wanna know is who are these fans who expected Fields to shut anyone down before game 2
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What I wanna know is who are these fans who expected Fields to shut anyone down before game 2
Me, I was saying before the playoffs and still am saying that Fields is our best option to stop or at least slow down Johnson.
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The Toronto Raptors are a truly good TEAM, the Nets are not on our level of "teamness". I think JV will end up being the deal breaker in this series, they just can't handle him, especially if he continues to figure them out as the series progresses. Too blessed to be stressed.
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