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Old 01-17-2013, 11:41 AM   #441 (permalink)
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The Chicago Commeters LOVE calderon.

Just saying.

come to think of it, most have this year.
They can haved him
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #442 (permalink)
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for who?

Deng?

i dunno.... is deng a defender?
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Old 01-17-2013, 11:58 AM   #443 (permalink)
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he's in the conversation as a top 5 wing defender
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:03 PM   #444 (permalink)
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Watch Jose beat out DRose and become the starter lol
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:32 PM   #445 (permalink)
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Even then, you lose the effects of pace and possession differential. Looking at ORB% and DRB% is a better indicator. The Raps are 20th and 16th in those categories, which puts them around 18th in the league in rebounding. So, below average, but not by much.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:52 PM   #446 (permalink)
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for who?

Deng?

i dunno.... is deng a defender?
They'd never give us Deng for Calderon. Last summer, people were talking about sending them a rotation player and our 8th pick. An expiring Calderon, who won't have the same value next year after Rose returns, would not get it done.

A few weeks ago, for shits and giggles, I actually made a trade proposal involving Calderon and Chicago. A couple of people claimed Chicago would not want him. In the short term, I think he could really help them win more and to get a top 3 playoff seed, so that they are in a better position to make some noise in the playoffs when Rose returns. The rest of their team is very good defensively and could cover for him. He is a substantial offensive upgrade over a beat-up Hinrich who is struggling and not the same player since his injuries.

Getting salaries to work and making it worthwhile could be a sticking point. If we are going to get a quality return from Chicago, it might have to be a bigger deal, possibly involving a 3rd team. If the Bulls are going to give up a starter, it's likely going to be Boozer. As we saw last night, he still has some game. But his contract is horriawful, so we'd want to shed some salary if we ever took him on, like sending Bargnani to a third team. Also Ed has played a lot better since I proposed that hypothetical trade, so taking back Boozer looks less attractive, as it would take away Ed's minutes and hinder development.

If we could put the salary issues aside, I'd want the 1st round pick Charlotte owes Chicago. That's an asset that could prove valuable in the future. It has some protections for a few years, but eventually becomes unprotected. As we've seen over the years, even when Charlotte makes a bit of progress with a good move or two, they screw it up by shooting themselves in the foot with other blunders. It would be nice to have a future pick owed to us from a franchise like that. If we keep it, we might not see the value for a while, so it's a trade for the future. But there is always the possibility of packaging it in some other trade, as other teams no doubt would want to bet against Charlotte, like how OKC probably saw potential high value in betting against us through the pick Houston had from the Lowry trade.

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Old 01-17-2013, 02:12 PM   #447 (permalink)
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I'd trade jose for their first round pick in 2012 in a hearbeat ... Doubt we'd get more value than that.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:00 PM   #448 (permalink)
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I'd trade jose for their first round pick in 2012 in a hearbeat ... Doubt we'd get more value than that.
They are riiiiight up against the second tier tax threshold, and over the tax apron, so there is no way they take back more salary in a trade. The Raps can take back 5M more than Jose, so 15.56M. So they could offload Boozer to us, or Deng, but I doubt the Raps would want Boozer, nor would the Bulls give up Deng.

If we are trading for a pick, we'd need to take back at least Jose's contract value (10.56M) in filler, and, frankly, I can't come up with a combination from their team that fits that bill if you assume Noah, Deng, Rose, Rip and Boozer are off-limits (or undesirable). Hinrich, Gibson and Belinelli are their next 3 biggest contracts, and they only total about 8 million. Even IF those three made enough to work as filler (and the Bulls would be willing to part with them AND a pick to rent Jose for a year), the Raps would need to waive a couple players to make the trade work.

Honestly, only a Boozer + pick for Jose salary dump makes sense, though that would suck for the Raps. Maybe a Boozer + pick for Jose + Kleiza deal? That removes long term salary commitments, plus gives them another SF/PF to "play" behind Gibson and Deng. Or a Boozer + pick for Bargs deal? That cuts a chunk of salary off their tax concerns, though they'd just be downgrading their overpaid PF.
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Old 01-20-2013, 12:57 PM   #449 (permalink)
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An hour til tip

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We usually don't do well against Toronto for some reason (Kobe's buzzer beater last year, anyone?) Hopefully we come out the gate stomping on them.
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Toronto is another sorry NBA garbage team, we must win !
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this Raptors game is always at this god awful hour.
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Yeah I won't wake up early for this sorry ass team. Gonna be a full Football Sunday for me!
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100% must win. i wish Bargnani was playing, woulda made things really easy. as is though, should still be a struggle free game, but with this team u never know.
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Old 01-20-2013, 01:32 PM   #450 (permalink)
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If Laker fans paid any attention to any other team but their own, they would say something like " No worries. Keep it close. Refs will give it to us at the end."
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:25 PM   #451 (permalink)
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:31 PM   #452 (permalink)
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Raps win 103-108. Here's some post game reaction.

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What a pathetic team we have on our hands friends
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Typical Lakers. "Trying" to win the game in the final 3 minutes when you've dug yourselves a hole all game long. How cute.
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i missed breakfast for this and im hungover

friggin lakers
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The front office has to be thinking they made a mistake with the Dantoni hire.
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Hope Raptor fans don't come here with that "whow is me" additude getting all gushy about how they expected to lose. Miss me with that bull sh**. Everybody is taking liberty in beating the Lakers right now. So don't try to come here fooling us with the fakeness.....only dummies fall for that crap
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:32 PM   #453 (permalink)
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Is this rock bottom yet?
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Dantoini's next autobiographies: How to commit a turnover in seven seconds or less, How to allow the other team to score in seven seconds or less.....
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we do this every game. hope you are enjoying this jerry. every game you get "showtime" with four minutes left in the game and we always end up losing by 5 or 6 points. face it guys we have become a circus. we come to your town let you blow us out then we come back to make you think your team could lose but then just like that you win heroically. gotta love us!
Here are a couple good ones.
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:39 PM   #454 (permalink)
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I'm laker fan but sorry, till they play like now I'm going to be a Clippers fan awful to watch Lakers games...
lol this is why I hate the Laker fanbase
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:44 PM   #455 (permalink)
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lol this is why I hate the Laker fanbase
My hate for the Lakers started with them always showing Dyan Cannon. It was so obvious that she was more of a fan of being seen than anything else. She's older than hell now. Hope she is loving these Lakers.
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Old 01-20-2013, 04:58 PM   #456 (permalink)
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They coulda had Phil but they took Mike, dug their own graves.
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:10 PM   #457 (permalink)
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few minutes till the end:
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Outside of Lowery, Calderon, DeRozan and Amir Johnson, I don't know who rest of these f'ing scrubs are. Gettin waxed by scrubs.
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I miss the good old days when Sunday early morning blowouts were nothing to worry about with this team
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Showtime baby! We are the greatest circus ever! Philadephia Eagles of the NBA
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:29 PM   #458 (permalink)
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League is a disgusting joke, the officiating this season has been beyond garbage, it's been criminal. (and let's be honest here, THEY'VE BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING BEFORE)

5 point loss, no Dwight, absolute joke.
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kobe showed us he could play defense for two games. now back to chuckfest mode as usual.
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HOWARD YOU HAVE LOWER IQ THAN KWAME BROWN YOU STUPID (bleep).
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Kobe is in straight up chuck mode
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The D for the most part today has been terrible. Calderon torching us...
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Who switched Kobe with Bargnani?
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I hope the Raptor fans will have QFTOs and they quote this lol

we're bad
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Way too easy for these guys. Calderon eating the Lakers up.
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is jose Calderon better than steve nash?
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ll trade half our team for Calderon
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season over
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Can we swap Nash for Calderon?
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calderon is too good
at this stage of their career, Calderon is so much better than nash its not even close
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100%

I even said in the offseason that we should get a younger PG than Nash, obviously I was still excited but last year deadline I wanted us to get Calderon, could have easily gotten him for a pick last year
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Calderon and scrubs are better than this team. We suck so much, there's no turning around with this team. I'm losing hope every single second of each game.
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getting blown out by the raptors. is this real life
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were gonna lose to the worst team in the league.......

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what you talkin about? We're the worst team. Toronto has a better record than the Lakers.
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Lowry > Nash.
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Lowry just traveled when he landed with that rebound, leads to him hitting a 3. This (bleep) is just fixed.
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Just watched the stream for 5 minutes and turned it off.
Even for a laker hater, this is utterly boring to watch. There's nothing left to hate on.
This is a meaningless game.
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Kobe's actually 6 - 22 with 6 turnovers

no one should be defending him right now, he's garbage
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Everytime I hit refresh on the ESPN box score, Kobe's taken another fg attempt
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I knew this game would be tough. Most people, including the Lakers, probably thought the Raptors were really bad. In truth, if it weren't for a bunch of bad calls and Bargnani, they would be a playoff team in the East.

We should be beating them though .
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I still think the raps can blow this game with their stupid fouls
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man Calderon is good
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bullied by amir johnson
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lol refs ignoring us cause everyone in that arena know we have no business in this game

raps coasting to a easy win

this team is pathetic
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That was a push in the back, how is that Pau's fault? This game was beyond rigged. Quality product you're putting out Stern
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Would TOR take Nash for Calderon?
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Kobe gets zero calls

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As bad as the Lakers played, the officiating was worse and really put the Lakers in a defensive hole.
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We are getting laughed at, by this scrub Raptor team and their fans. We are getting laughed at by all other teams great and otherwise. You know what? This team freaking deserves it.


scrub Raptor team? they have a better record than us
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kobe needs to be traded, what a horrible selfish player

game over, season over

oh well

i'm out, cya
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I've watched a lot of Raptor games and they are pretty scrub lol
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:36 PM   #459 (permalink)
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LOL, that's LA's best whine from the Napa Valley
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Old 01-20-2013, 05:40 PM   #460 (permalink)
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LOL, that's LA's best whine from the Napa Valley
because they got their purple asses stomped like grapes
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