What options do you like best? - Page 4
Old 06-18-2012, 03:50 PM   #61 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

I really don't want any of em except batum. Either we sign Batum, draft lillard and let bayless walk, or we trade some our cap space or possibly Bayless (via S&T) to new orleans for Ariza and #10 pick, which we then use on a high upside prospect like perry jones III. Either way we get 2 prospects with all-star potential at the 2 positions we need the most help at and if jones is a bust we have another lottery pick next year use at the sf position (via draft or trade). I think we need to build a stronger talent base before we start cashing in our assets for proven players, otherwise we're destined to be a 7-10 seed for the foreseeable future. Even if batum is a longshot unless we massively overpay (which I do not recommend) we are left with plenty of tradeable assets and flexibility going forward, along with a potential lottery pick next season and an overall increase in talent. If Lillards the next Westbrook u either trade Jose's expiring deal or bring him off the bench then re-sign him to a more reasonable contract next season as a back-up, if not we're no worse off at PG than we are now as Lillard will most certainly be capable off the bench as a scorer. If Jones is a stud (and he does have superstar potential so for our 2nd pick it's low-risk high reward) then u start him, then trade Ariza (his value will continually rise the closer we get to the end of his contract). Let the young guys grow together then by next offseason we still have cap space, more tradeable assets, a higher pick than if we swing for the fences this year, and more young talent to build around.
No need to rush success unless your name is Colangelo and your contract is almost up. Ugh. Never mind I just wasted 2 minutes of our lives. Lol
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 04:06 PM   #62 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummomd so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 73,158
Representing:
Default

Ariza?
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 04:36 PM   #63 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

Ariza is nothing but the price to pay to get #10 draft pick. I'm not looking for him to help us win games, that's not my concern next season really. This team needs more young talent as IMO our core isn't talented enough to eventually compete at a high level and outside of our main guys we don't have the assets to bring in serious talent. The best way for Toronto to bring in major talent is thru the draft and since we don't have a high pick we need high upside prospects like Jones. We aren't giving up anything but enough cap space to absorb Ariza's contract so why not? Ariza's contract will be expiring after next season (I believe) and will therefore be more attractive under the new CBA with everyone trying to save money. There's a reason they wanna give him away, I'm aware that he sucks, but u gotta look at the big picture. I would rather do this than trade Davis, J. Johnson, and #8 for Rudy Gay cuz in the big picture you're giving up Davis, Johnson, potentially Lillard at #8 and cap space/flexibilty for a player that's overpaid, hinders the team financially, and keeps them as a borderline playoff time for the foreseeable future with few means of noticeably improving the roster. Plus we would have a lower pick next year. Same scenario with Iggy and basically anyone else on that list that we would have to trade for. I would prefer to rebuild with Lillard, DeRozan, Jones, Johnson, Davis, Bargnani, Valanciunas, Amir, a decent draft pick in 2013, cap space and Ariza's expiring contract next season. Everything I just listed would be considered an attractive asset in trade and could potentially be package together for an even greater return than anything we are likely to get this year.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 04:45 PM   #64 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

Everyone's looking at how we can improve right now but this team, with this core, could use another season rebuilding. Even if Steve Nash wants to come here I really don't want him. Ya he could mentor the young guys but so can our assistant coaches. At least they won't get us a #7 seed and leave us to restart the rebuilding process in 2-3 yrs, and by then the rest of the roster might be experienced enough to keep us on the playoff bubble and we'll have no good draft picks to help us improve for a long time. Doesn't make sense to me to mortgage the next 7 yrs (till Jonas gets fed up with mediocrity and leaves) for 2 exciting years with Nash. Ridiculously short-sighted IMO. Maybe if we don't get Lillard we reach for Jones at #8 and sign Dragic but I like Lillard better for the future of the team and #8 is probably too high for Jones and a serious risk if thats our only pick with the bust potential that he has. I would rather use some of our cap space as an asset to acquire another pick, even if it means taking on the contract of Ariza. Like I said, next year even Ariza is more attractive in trade cuz his contract will be expiring. If we make our goal to seriously improve next offseason instead of this one then we can actually rebuild properly rather than thinking short-term and 1st round playoff exits.

Last edited by canada_rocks2369; 06-18-2012 at 04:54 PM.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 05:03 PM   #65 (permalink)
LOG
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,102
Representing:
Default

We could find ways of getting future picks withought tanking.. We can trade someone (Jose?) for a future pick
LOG is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 06:09 PM   #66 (permalink)
La Decima!!!!!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 7,223
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by canada_rocks2369 View Post
Ariza is nothing but the price to pay to get #10 draft pick.
I thought that was obvious.
LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 06:14 PM   #67 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

It's not tanking really, just not being aggressive in improving this summer. I'm not advocating going all out for the #1 pick next season, just letting the players we have play 1 more season together, along with this year's picks, and getting a pick in the #6-10 range next season. That pick can either be a trade asset or an inexpensive, capable role player on a team that's possibly capable of contending in a few years. Waiting till next season to cash in on our assets is in no way tanking, it's patience.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 06:16 PM   #68 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! View Post
I thought that was obvious.
Jeff was understandably underwhelmed by the acquisition, I was just saying that the player himself (Ariza) is irrelevant in this discussion.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 06:21 PM   #69 (permalink)
payin Dwyane Wade

Senior Member
 
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 4,430
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOG View Post
We could find ways of getting future picks withought tanking.. We can trade someone (Jose?) for a future pick
No you could not trade Jose or anyone else for a high pick except Jv and Bargnani. Ariza might be the only way.
JoeyJoJo Shabbadu is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 06:24 PM   #70 (permalink)
LOG
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,102
Representing:
Default

If we do get a new pg, it would make seance to end the Jose project. We could hit a jackpot if we trade him for a future pick. We just have to figure out what team is going to to be shitty in a year or two and is in need of point guard..
LOG is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 06:47 PM   #71 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

If we draft Lillard and he does really well I don't mind keepin Jose, although I wouldn't be entirely opposed to moving him either. If Lillard is ready to start, u either trade Jose before u bench him (to get the most value, plus he's expiring), or bench him in hopes of either bringing him back as a reasonably priced backup next season or letting his contract expire for cap space. If Lillard isnt ready to start, u keep Jose as a starter for this year with Lillard as a gunner off the bench. Next offseason u assess Lillards game, determine his role going forward, then proceed with Jose's contract situation accordingly. U could do a heck of a lot worse than Jose as your backup PG, as long as he's got a reasonable contract.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 11:18 PM   #72 (permalink)
La Decima!!!!!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 7,223
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by canada_rocks2369 View Post
If we draft Lillard and he does really well I don't mind keepin Jose, although I wouldn't be entirely opposed to moving him either. If Lillard is ready to start, u either trade Jose before u bench him (to get the most value, plus he's expiring), or bench him in hopes of either bringing him back as a reasonably priced backup next season or letting his contract expire for cap space. If Lillard isnt ready to start, u keep Jose as a starter for this year with Lillard as a gunner off the bench. Next offseason u assess Lillards game, determine his role going forward, then proceed with Jose's contract situation accordingly. U could do a heck of a lot worse than Jose as your backup PG, as long as he's got a reasonable contract.
I don't think we'll get a new PG. Casey needs a PG who is efficient in assists/to ratio. Unfortunately one of the key parts of the horrible trio will be back next season as a starter.
LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 11:47 PM   #73 (permalink)
LOG
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
LOG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Toronto
Posts: 8,102
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! View Post
I don't think we'll get a new PG. Casey needs a PG who is efficient in assists/to ratio. Unfortunately one of the key parts of the horrible trio will be back next season as a starter.
Stop exaggerating
I can't wait for new season to start!
LOG is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 11:51 PM   #74 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

Lillard doesn't turn the ball over much and by most accounts he's underrated as a distributor. Also, I don't believe Casey necessarily NEEDS a PG who is very turnover conscious any more than any other coach does. I'm sure he appreciates it but he would probably also appreciates a PG who can create his own shot and get into the lane to make the defense react. I'm also sure Scott Brooks would appreciate a turnover conscious PG but hes probably more than happy to have Westbrook. Every player has strengths and weaknesses, at least with Lillard there is plenty of time to improve. Also, it's not a given that his AST/TO ratio will be unsatisfactory anyway. Jose will never be much more than he is, and what he is is a very good backup PG in a starters role. Yes he's efficient, most backups are. He is not the PG of the future going forward with this team, unless it's as a backup. This coming season, fine, u are probably right: Jose will most likely be the starter. But to suggest that Casey values his AST/TO ratio MORE than his shooting ability or having good defense and dribble penetration at the position is baseless IMO.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2012, 11:56 PM   #75 (permalink)
La Decima!!!!!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 7,223
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by canada_rocks2369 View Post
Lillard doesn't turn the ball over much and by most accounts he's underrated as a distributor. Also, I don't believe Casey necessarily NEEDS a PG who is very turnover conscious any more than any other coach does. I'm sure he appreciates it but he would probably also appreciates a PG who can create his own shot and get into the lane to make the defense react. I'm also sure Scott Brooks would appreciate a turnover conscious PG but hes probably more than happy to have Westbrook. Every player has strengths and weaknesses, at least with Lillard there is plenty of time to improve. Also, it's not a given that his AST/TO ratio will be unsatisfactory anyway. Jose will never be much more than he is, and what he is is a very good backup PG in a starters role. Yes he's efficient, most backups are. He is not the PG of the future going forward with this team, unless it's as a backup. This coming season, fine, u are probably right: Jose will most likely be the starter. But to suggest that Casey values his AST/TO ratio MORE than his shooting ability or having good defense and dribble penetration at the position is baseless IMO.
I agree with you on Jose being a superb backup that is starting. However, this franchise just loves Jose despite the fact that the most success this team has ever had was when they didn't have a traditional/pure pg.
LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2012, 02:04 AM   #76 (permalink)
from Canada and it rocks

Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Grande Prairie, AB
Posts: 142
Representing:
Default

Ya I agree with that, and because of that it would probably take a phenomenal rookie year from someone like Lillard to unseat Jose as a starter. However, that would be an excellent problem to have. Jose has always been a team player and hasn't complained despite the many times he's been yanked and re-inserted into the starting line-up. It's because of this that I would strongly recommend re-signing him at a discounted rate next offseason even if Lillard is the starter, provided he isn't traded for something of value. I would not trade him unless we get a solid return, however, as he could still be valuable to this team going forward and would be valued in trade as a playoff rental or an expiring contract.
canada_rocks2369 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24