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Old 03-02-2010, 01:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1. D-league Derozan and POB

I'm a big supporter of Demar and he will be a force for the Raptors in the future no doubt about that, but for now because of this bullshit of not letting him finish games is really starting to piss me off and already quoted from SLAM magazine that Derozan will unfairly get bench splinters.

D-league is a great place to let him develop his offensive game, let him dominate in Idaho and then call him up 2 weeks before playoffs so he can get the feel for the NBA once again, plus there will be a small amount of pressure on him to perform because teams who already made the playoffs or have no chance won't play as hard and will probably bench and rest their starters lifting the burden off Derozan from guarding the best player on each team.

Now about POB, I used to hate his lazy ass, but now he's starting to show some heart and you have to admit he is an defensive C in the paint, not like a Robin Lopez sort of guy but he's getting there. His hands and style of blocking and altering shots is really effective. (His use of both hands, keeping his hands up while pump fakes and his length of arms which can be effective at fouling hard and stopping 3 point plays) yes his offensive and post up game is really shit, but sending him to the d-league can help develop him.

We have youth on this team, time to use them.

2. Calderon's minutes should be decreased

Banks just plays better simple as that, unless Calderon learns how to play defense properly then banks should be taking some minutes from him, a huge amount of them.

3. Start Wright

You can't fucking expect Derozan to defend seasoned vets in the NBA on the starting lineup, get someone who can, that should be Wright who is our defensive specialist and already his stepping up his game as of late right now.

4. Bellinelli deserves minutes now

The houston game is really showing how much confidence he's getting back now, and we are seeing things from him that I like (fade away jumper is sort of bittersweet)
a) He cuts, slashes through the paint and tries to find easy shots and lay-ups (signs of rip hamilton anyone?)
b) drives in, he can lay-up and plus he can pass out anytime and we all know how effective his passes can be (see Beli - Amir Johnson assist)
c) he can draw fouls pretty well

I think that could be a good start to this team that should be preparing for the playoffs come april, I don't know about signing finley and how that will affect the team, but if we do that's more reason to do option number one, which is to send Derozan and POB to D-league.
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Old 03-02-2010, 01:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah put POB in the D-league, he cud benefit from some games and minuites, and I like the guy also so Im with you on that one.

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Old 03-02-2010, 01:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Don't agree with 1 and 2

3rd comment i agree with.

4th about... Belli i'm not sure about... I basically stopped paying attention to the game last night by the time he came in, so i'm not sure how well he played.

anyhow

Regarding sending Derozen to the D-League... No way... that will severely stall his development... His minutes however should be decreased and maybe taken out of the starting line up and maybe come in with the 2nd unit.

However POB need's more time in the D-League, even tho i think he should be waived...

Calderon runs the 2nd unit still way better then Banks... However if Caldy is causing crazy blow by's and the opposing point guarding is killing him, then banks should be put in with Turk.
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Derozan does not need to go to the D-league. He might be better off playing with the 2nd unit, but he's still capable of contributing at the NBA level. Furthermore, I think playing 20 MPG against NBA calibre players helps Derozan more than playing against D-league players, even if Derozan gets to be the main guy in the D-league.

I'd be okay with Wright starting. Assuming the recent injuries don't prevent the Raps from making the playoffs, it would be wise to start Wright in the post-season. If the Raps are going to do that, they might as well move Wright into the starting line-up right now, so he can get use to playing most of his minutes with the first unit.

If Belli would show some consistency, he could be a big help. We're all still waiting for that consistency, though.
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Regarding sending Derozen to the D-League... No way... that will severely stall his development... His minutes however should be decreased and maybe taken out of the starting line up and maybe come in with the 2nd unit.
Derozan plays so little time that I honestly think POB played as much minutes as him last night, while in the D-league he can play up to 33-40 minutes per game because he is a priority player and probably better skilled than mojority of players there.

Plus remember Nathan Jawai? averaged pretty much 60 seconds in the NBA, but when in the D-league he had starter minutes and had massive improvements with the time he was given.

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Calderon runs the 2nd unit still way better then Banks... However if Caldy is causing crazy blow by's and the opposing point guarding is killing him, then banks should be put in with Turk
Banks ran the second unit last night pretty well, but I can't compare because Calderon runs a slower pace offense with the scond unit, and with Houston last night it looked like a run-and-gun type of offense with banks, and there was much more passing when Banks ran the point
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Old 03-02-2010, 01:28 PM   #6 (permalink)
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common, i know derozan is playing bad but D league? Maybe bench him and start Weems. I dont know why derozan settles for jump shot when he should be driving the ball or cutting to the hoop looking for the ball.
-Agree with POB to the d-leag.
-I wouldn't mind starting Wright but then we got no one who can cut to the rim and provide some energy. Its going to be one slow team.
-Agree with #2, I liked this guy at beginning of season but him and hedo cannot play together at all. I like banks. I don't know tho, seems like jay and bc got their favorites and their going to ride those players till the end.
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Old 03-02-2010, 01:35 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Why are people looking at the D-League like it's jail? Calm down it's there for DEVELOPMENT. If someone isn't getting enough development (and that's fairly obvious is DeRozan has been STAGNANT the entire season) then they should probably go to the NBA DEVELOPMENT League.
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POB can't be sent to the D-League.

Only players who are rookies or are in their second season can be assigned there.
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Old 03-02-2010, 01:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Derozan plays so little time that I honestly think POB played as much minutes as him last night, while in the D-league he can play up to 33-40 minutes per game because he is a priority player and probably better skilled than mojority of players there.
Umm... So playing 33-40 mins vs Scrubs is better for his development then playing 20 or so mins vs THE NBA'S ELITE SHOOTING GUARDS? ...



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Banks ran the second unit last night pretty well, but I can't compare because Calderon runs a slower pace offense with the scond unit, and with Houston last night it looked like a run-and-gun type of offense with banks, and there was much more passing when Banks ran the point]
It isn't that Calderon runs a slower pace offense compared to Banks...Calderon plays more of a half court game, but this season he has shown he's willing to take more chances when the teams running...Come on, how many fast break Calderon to Amir hookups have you seen this year?... If anything when the offence is clicking and were shooting lights out I'd rather have Calderon in there even with his defense issues...

I think, Depening on who were faceing, the matchups and how well we are playing offensively, Triano should try a 3 man PG rotation instead of just 2.... If Calderon is playing CRAP and were down throw in Banks.... he's earned it

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POB can't be sent to the D-League.

Only players who are rookies or are in their second season can be assigned there.
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Umm... So playing 33-40 mins vs Scrubs is better then playing 20 or so mins vs THE NBA'S ELITE SHOOTING GUARDS? ...
Alright true, but does it really help the team at the moment? maybe placing him at the second unit might help, but the D-league is full of energetic youth players that play very good team defense and high pressure, all those guys are playing hard as hell in the D-league to make it to the top, which will help step derozan's game as well. Also Derozan's jumper and scoring off the dribble game hasn't improved and it won't improve as long as the offense is constantly throwing alley-oops to Derozan while passing the ball straight to Bosh/Bargs then we won't see any plays where Derozan can just score by himself, in the D-league he can.

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It isn't that Calderon runs a slower pace offense compared to Banks...Calderon plays more of a half court game, but this season he has shown he's willing to take more chances when the teams running...Come on, how many fast break Calderon to Amir hookups have you seen this year?... If anything when the offence is clicking and were shooting lights out I'd rather have Calderon in there even with his defense issues...
Alright true, but defense is our biggest problem at the moment, stopping scoring wings is a real pain for this team and I'm not saying Calderon should be buried on the bench, but if he gives away free lay-ups and leaving open shooters open, then yes his minutes should be taken off.

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If Belli would show some consistency, he could be a big help. We're all still waiting for that consistency, though.
Slowly but surely like what we are doing with Derozan at the start of the season, 10 minutes at the start of the 2nd and 3rd, and if we see improvements and positive things in his game with the small amount of time we gave him then increase the PT

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Why are people looking at the D-League like it's jail? Calm down it's there for DEVELOPMENT. If someone isn't getting enough development (and that's fairly obvious is DeRozan has been STAGNANT the entire season) then they should probably go to the NBA DEVELOPMENT League.
while you're right that it is about development, it is also a de facto comment that you aren't good enough to hack it with teh big boys. that's a pretty serious mindfuck for a guy that was selected top-10, has always been a star, and has been dreaming of the nba since he was a kid. you might develop his skills but fuck with his mind. i'd much rather have him on the nba squad playing minutes against real pros and living his dream.
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the D League is screwed up, so many rules
I think once you get called out of D League you can go back for a year, its not like the minors in baseball
think you can only go if you are in you rookie contract
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while you're right that it is about development, it is also a de facto comment that you aren't good enough to hack it with teh big boys. that's a pretty serious mindfuck for a guy that was selected top-10, has always been a star, and has been dreaming of the nba since he was a kid. you might develop his skills but fuck with his mind. i'd much rather have him on the nba squad playing minutes against real pros and living his dream.
you mean like Thabeet
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they are certainlyh taking that risk with thabeet
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Marcus Banks can pick up any PG full court.

2nd best defensive PG in the league. And we have the worst defence in the league. Yet we refuse to play him.

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I'll tell you what we should have done, make a trade at the deadline. Look at the Milaukee Bucks after getting Salmons. All the teams making trades to improve their team at the deadline has gotten better. Dallas was spirallying downward until their big trade. Shaq gone for weeks, who cares Jameison can pick up the scoring load. For all those posters who wanted to keep Calderon and didn't want to offer DD, how would Igoudala, Rudy Gay, or Butler look in a Raptor Uniform. Without Bosh, no one has stepped up and we look like a practice squad out there.
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I'll tell you what we should have done, make a trade at the deadline. Look at the Milaukee Bucks after getting Salmons. All the teams making trades to improve their team at the deadline has gotten better. Dallas was spirallying downward until their big trade. Shaq gone for weeks, who cares Jameison can pick up the scoring load. For all those posters who wanted to keep Calderon and didn't want to offer DD, how would Igoudala, Rudy Gay, or Butler look in a Raptor Uniform. Without Bosh, no one has stepped up and we look like a practice squad out there.
Enough of the Past, the future is what should be dealt with
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Enough of the Past, the future is what should be dealt with
Want to see the future if Bosh leaves in the summer, watch the OKC and Houston Game. No Bosh, No Hope.
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Send Jay Triano to the D-league
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