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Old 02-16-2011, 03:13 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Claudius.. Dude, where the hell have you been? Seriously, Bosh dicked us around and made it seem like he might re-sign and then extended his injury time at the end of the year AND THEN cut all ties with the organization that GAVE him everything by season's end. If he left as a classy individual then why the fuck would Colangelo be mad? Stop trying to be so political about it for argument sake.. How he left was wrong.

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Old 02-16-2011, 03:13 PM   #82 (permalink)
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there you go getting angry again...

where did i ever say Bosh didn't have value?

if Bosh wanted to be the #1 guy, which he stated pretty explicitly that he wanted, then he should be expected to do more than play ha5rd on the court. that's what #1 guys do, and that's exactly wht Bosh never understood. maybe he wasn't #1 material, but it's not like the situation was forced on him the way it has been with bargs. he wanted it. he asked for it, and he didn't deliver leadership. and the management and coaches have talked openly about pushing him to get more of thet, only it never came.

and this is a huge part of making your teammates better. sure, he is talented and that created some openings, but that's not the same thing as making your teammates better.

this debate had nothing to do with talent as a basketball player, so i have no idea where you are going with that. there is much more to being a franchise guy than just putting up numbers.
*shrug*

OK then 'trane... we just seem to have different views on players and what they're capable of on sub-par teams.

I feel as though if we HAD been fortunate enough to get that second all-star that we had been wanting for so long you might be saying something different about Bosh right now... can you imagine what might have happened if VC would have stayed with us and played with him?

I look at this much in the same way that I look at Pau Gasol's situation... before he got to LA no one said "boo" about him.... people called him "soft".... fast forward to him going to the Lakers and suddenly he's "the best PF in the NBA".

I will never fault a single player for not being able to get it done when the rest of their team is garbage... that's why I didn't blame Lebron when he got beat by the Celtics last year in the playoffs... that's why I didn't blame Wade when the Heat were struggling just to MAKE the playoffs (or missing it)... that's why I don't blame Dirk for Dallas folding against GS a few years back.

Basketball is a team game. You need MORE than 1 star to excel in this league. That's not an opinion... it's the blueprint unless you get a ridiculous talent like Lebron or Hakeem. Bosh was the only player worth anything on this team for most of his career... and because of it we were exposed on a regular basis. He could only do so much.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:15 PM   #83 (permalink)
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not sure if this is directed at me as a member of this group, but i belong connected to it at least in a venn diagram sort of way. i'm really just level-headed.

here's the deal - Bargs is a $8.5 mil one dimensional role player. everyone knows that he needs a lot of different parts around him in order to showcase his skills. he is paid a pretty low salary and so things tend to balance out. he never asked to be a #1 guy, he never tried to place himself in some stratosphere of stars, and he certainly never used social media to express his frustration or to make any comments - positive or negative - about the city, the franchise, his role, his ambitions or any of that kind of stuff. he just does what he does, and we all wish he could be better at the things he's poor at.

bosh, on the other hand, was about to be a max money guy without having delivered justification for that money (yes, this is debateable). now i would have paid him if he was willing to stay, but in hindsight i can see that this probably would have been a mistake because we didn't have any more flexibility to bring in yet another round of guys to hope they mesh with him. it's hard to say. but going back on his 'dreams' as expressly stated in the media, teaming up with the obvious villains, and making a bunch of shady comments about he city - whether intentionally disrespectful or just a bunch of fans getting pissy about very little - automatically puts you in a category that will attract attention.

at the end of the day, i don't have an issue with Bargs because he's not that expensive and i think he could be useful for us long term. that doesn't mean i don't wish he tried harder or was a better defender, but i am ok with getting what you paid for.

and i still respect Bosh as a very good basketball player. he just happens to also be a media whore and a bit of a wannabe. and i hope we make a hostile environment for him to play in because that's what opponents deserve.
+100000000000. im sick of TORAP flooding this thread with his fanboy opinions
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I want fans to bring the hate tonight. Get personal with Bosh with the chants. Remind him he's a dead beat dad.

Let him know that he's a nobody and is being exposed this year. Call him Ru-paul.

Bosh is the biggest loser in pro-sports outside of A-Rod.
Biggest loser is sports? Really? With all the dumb fucks that have been caught taking pics of their cocks, caught with steroids, arrested, jailed, DUI, beat their spouse, killed dogs, beat up taxi drivers.....Bosh is the 2nd biggest loser in sports. You don't watch much sports or sports news do you.
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Ding-ding-ding!

Bosh had made the biggest sacrifice of ANY of the "big 3"... and he's arguably been the most consistent one as well... all without making any waves or griping about shots.

Doesn't sound "attention-whoreish" to me at all.
he makes the most money OUT OF THE THREE..........REAL SACRIFICE
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Ding-ding-ding!

Bosh had made the biggest sacrifice of ANY of the "big 3"... and he's arguably been the most consistent one as well... all without making any waves or griping about shots.

Doesn't sound "attention-whoreish" to me at all.
WTF has he sacrificed? And sorry he's been by far the least consistent of the three.
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Claudius is officially on junk.. Dude, where the hell have you been? Seriously, Bosh dicked us around and made it seem like he might re-sign and then extended his injury time at the end of the year AND THEN cut all ties with the organization that GAVE him everything by season's end. If he left as a classy individual then why the fuck would Colangelo be mad? Stop trying to be so political about it for argument sake.. How he left was wrong.
with all due respect dude, he's not on 'junk' he just has a different opinion than you do.
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Old 02-16-2011, 03:19 PM   #88 (permalink)
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good yes, great no.

He quit while he was here and noone should forget it. When it was crunch time last year, where was he? sitting out when it was acknowledged by Colangelo that pain threshold was the only thing stopping him from playing. I believe that because Colangelo had nothing to gain and lots to lose by making those comments last year.

The guy who started this post is right. There shouldn't be a love in with this loser. He's on the other team. The raps should show some respect for their fans tonight who have had to sit through this dismal season tonight and the first chance they should get, they should knock him on his ass.
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Chris Bosh became an all-star and first endeared himself to Toronto Raptor fans because of his dedication to winning and competing.

Some people really need to revisit his first few seasons where Mitchell was able to displace two prima-donnas in Carter and Rose with a young Bosh.
He said a lot of stupid shit since Mitchell was canned, but I would say a lot of stupid shit if people with cameras were constantly asking me questions, mostly trying to lead me into saying stupid shit, so I forgive Bosh.

I'm a Toronto Raptor fan, so much so that I'm a big Chris Bosh fan, and consequently, I would love to see him put on a huge performance tonight and one big gigantic dunk right in Bargnani's mug. Not that I want Bargnani the person to be dunked on, but what Bargnani represents needs to be dunked on by Chris Bosh.

It would be fan-tastic.
This is the first time i've heard anything about Carter and rose being prima donnas....am i missing something here?
now i know people in this forum are going to be biased but from a neutral stand point Carter is considered one of the genuwine good guys in the NBA. his teamates and peers have nothing but good things to say about him. and when he was coming up in the NBA there were early comparison to MJ and people say he never lived up to it because he was simply just too nice. didn't have the killer instinct the MJs and Kobes have
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*shrug*

OK then 'trane... we just seem to have different views on players and what they're capable of on sub-par teams.

I feel as though if we HAD been fortunate enough to get that second all-star that we had been wanting for so long you might be saying something different about Bosh right now... can you imagine what might have happened if VC would have stayed with us and played with him?

I look at this much in the same way that I look at Pau Gasol's situation... before he got to LA no one said "boo" about him.... people called him "soft".... fast forward to him going to the Lakers and suddenly he's "the best PF in the NBA".

I will never fault a single player for not being able to get it done when the rest of their team is garbage... that's why I didn't blame Lebron when he got beat by the Celtics last year in the playoffs... that's why I didn't blame Wade when the Heat were struggling just to MAKE the playoffs (or missing it)... that's why I don't blame Dirk for Dallas folding against GS a few years back.

Basketball is a team game. You need MORE than 1 star to excel in this league. That's not an opinion... it's the blueprint unless you get a ridiculous talent like Lebron or Hakeem. Bosh was the only player worth anything on this team for most of his career... and because of it we were exposed on a regular basis. He could only do so much.
i'm not critiquing Bosh because he couldn't put the raps on his back and win championships. i'm critiquing his leadership and his media persona, and i'm critiquing the goals he stated and the way that he left. none of that has to do with whether or not we would have won more gamnes with another star.

and is the following not also applicable to bargnani?

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I feel as though if we HAD been fortunate enough to get that second all-star that we had been wanting for so long you might be saying something different about Bosh right now... can you imagine what might have happened if VC would have stayed with us and played with him?
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+100000000000. im sick of TORAP flooding this thread with his fanboy opinions
whatever dude. he has the right to make them. try debating with him instead of just throwing out barbs.
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Bosh has been inconsistent on MIami because he doesnt get the touches he used to. Not even close to the touches.
He is a great player who gae Toronto his all. Sorry everyone that he didnt end his career here. But that rarely happens in sports today.
EVERYONE GET OVER IT AND GIVE THE GUY PROPS FOR WHAT HE DID WHILE PLAYING HERE.
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Bosh has been inconsistent on MIami because he doesnt get the touches he used to. Not even close to the touches.
He is a great player who gae Toronto his all. Sorry everyone that he didnt end his career here. But that rarely happens in sports today.
EVERYONE GET OVER IT AND GIVE THE GUY PROPS FOR WHAT HE DID WHILE PLAYING HERE.
Props for what?


How many playoff series did he win while he was here? Zero. He accomplished nothing. Granted he's not the only reason, but still, he won nothing.

I'd even argue that his comments the past 8 months have hurt the franchise as much as anything he ever did to help it.
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what he did in those past 2 years was not relevant for the upcoming season. and he didn't carry them there at all. he had a decent, well-rounded team. they did it together. and then they folded together in the playoffs like a cheap suit.

and that's the whole issue - togetherness. we can see the way it's coming out now - Bosh was not a togetherness kind of guy. he was ann individual, a guy that you didn't notice in the lockerroom, a star that didn't make his teammates better. and so when the media guy comes to ask him about those goals he gave a response that was about him.

and to connect this to bjjs's point about social media - most guys don't do that stuff. some do, and it is rarely the guys we look to as leaders and true pros. this is exactly the issue with bosh. he took the mantle as the go-to guy, but didn't pick up all the requisite pieces like leadership. and when the going got tough, despite many assurances to the contrary, Bosh got going.

lx - you are right about kobe wanting to bolt, but that wasn't really what we were discussing. =what he didn't do was talk about individual accolades and recognition. he just said that he didn't want to be part of a rebuild. that was direct and truthful. i wish i could say the same about bosh.
the upcoming season was being hyped up like crazy by JO - a guy coming from a once highly-respected organization - saying they all the weapons and a budding superstar and should be contenders if they had high goals. Bosh had high goals too, and in responding to a question, he said that he would like to be considered for MVP, knowing what it would entail in the context of the team. Why make out like it was all about looking for individual accolades? He made a point of insisting that it was going to be about how the team performed.

Are you really going to tell me that he wouldn't have traded any chance of any accolades for big-time winning? Because that's basically what he's done. And yet - as he said right from day one - it all goes hand in hand. If you win you get accolades.

I agree with your points about his role as things ended up working out, and how it is questionable whether a max contract was justified. He certainly didn't turn out to be KG (and yet how hated is KG, oddly enough). And in my mind he needed to, and still needs to, show what he's worth in the playoffs. But there is some blame to be thrown at MLSE for the role they placed him in for marketing purposes, and for not putting a team that could stick together around him, but rather shuffling the deck every year.

Finally - he didn't make his teammates better? That's overstating things quite grossly. I can remember people screaming about Jose being all-star worthy. It's pretty hard to see how that was possible right now, but then Jose does not have Bosh either. And this current team is not structured all that differently from last season. They play a very similar style under the same coach. And yet Bosh was able to get it to win at a very nice clip for half a season, and I would suggest that when he got injured, we saw just how much better he made his teammates.

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honestly Bosh needs to be booed because we all know hes a bit of a pussy and wont be able to handle a hostile environment
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Finally - he didn't make his teammates better? That's overstating things quite grossly. I can remember people screaming about Jose being all-star worthy. It's pretty hard to see how that was possible right now, but then Jose does not have Bosh either.
sorry to say but jose was shit before Bosh left. last year was a horrible seasom for him too.....and Bosh was here.
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It would be funny if the Raptors dressed Reggie tonight as a surprise and sicked him on Bosh!
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This is the first time i've heard anything about Carter and rose being prima donnas....am i missing something here?
now i know people in this forum are going to be biased but from a neutral stand point Carter is considered one of the genuwine good guys in the NBA. his teamates and peers have nothing but good things to say about him. and when he was coming up in the NBA there were early comparison to MJ and people say he never lived up to it because he was simply just too nice. didn't have the killer instinct the MJs and Kobes have
Vince? The guy gets laughed at on National TV for the way he acts like he's been shot. He was derided for wanting out rather than play hard.

Rose made a big drama out of being taken out of the starting lineup, and refused to pass the ball to a certain teammate.

Maybe you're missing that?
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sorry to say but jose was shit before Bosh left. last year was a horrible seasom for him too.....and Bosh was here.
sorry - but he was injured. When he was close to 100 percent, and Bosh wasn't injured, he was pretty good. Jarrett Jack looked like a starter for a stretch. How was that possible? Would you call him a starter? Bosh made him look like he could be thought of as a starter.

Are you going to tell me that Bosh simply did not make anyone better? Really?
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Props for what?


How many playoff series did he win while he was here? Zero. He accomplished nothing. Granted he's not the only reason, but still, he won nothing.

I'd even argue that his comments the past 8 months have hurt the franchise as much as anything he ever did to help it.
PLease do not be ignorant. He played with bunch of hacks and europe rejects.
CHeck his stats and shooting percentages. He played great. Sorry if your hatred blocks your common sense.
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