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Old 02-16-2011, 12:18 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I care about the pre-game shit.

Respect the fans. Show this guy no love.

Man I long for the days of Oakley. I will bet you dollars to donuts, Reggis Evans does not say a bloody word to him.
thank you so much for this comment....you are my hero!
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:30 PM   #42 (permalink)
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some boo's and a Raptors win..
I don't want Bosh to put on a show like Lebron did to Cleveland.. that was embarrassing
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:32 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Ummm

The Bosh hate started after the statments he made about the city... Smells different? wtf?

No one really said anything when he decided to leave... it was the few days after when he started talking to the media.... ya'll forget?

Vince hate started not after he was traded for a sack of potatoes... after he said shit about not trying in toronto ....

Compairing them to Alvin Williams or Mo Pete is not the same thing... those guys don't get booed because they didnt say anything about the city...

Cant get League pass? Please...

Felt like a Wolf in a cage?... Idiot
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:40 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I will be shocked if you are not disappointed Benzo. Sure - it would be nice if competitive sports still meant enough to carry over beyond the time of the game, for the sake of the fans that are able to make that so. But those days are long gone, just like the cold war.
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And Reggie Evans already said that he completely understands Bosh's decision. To make this about Bosh leaving his band of brothers is pure fantasy. Really - how can that shit actually exist outside of a fan's head? Not at this point when the business aspect is so omnipresent and obvious. When all the players got paid fuck all, then yeah - those sentiments made sense. Now - it makes no cents. Period.

Don't like it? Don't pay for a ticket. Don't support the sponsors. Go live in a cave and make videotaped messages about the great satan Bosh.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:49 PM   #46 (permalink)
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and let's be fair about the results - the guy said he aimed to be considered as an MVP, and that he knew it meant needing to win more than he had. The guy did not say he was already on the same level as those that had gotten results.
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When Kobe, Wade and KG all missed the playoffs or BARELY made the playoffs when they were the only stars on their squads.... did you hold them as accountable?
if they had come out and said they were mvp candidates then yes, certainly.
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if they had come out and said they were mvp candidates then yes, certainly.
good - so then you have no complaints, since Bosh did not say he was an MVP candidate. That was his goal, and he made it clear that he knew it depended on the success of the team, and not just making bold claims.
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Old 02-16-2011, 01:02 PM   #49 (permalink)
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if they had come out and said they were mvp candidates then yes, certainly.
Did he say that he DESERVED to be an MVP? Or that one of his GOALS was to be an MVP?

Big difference....
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If by fanboy I am level headed, then well, thank you.

Hell, I don't get how some of the anti-Bosh guys here are pro-Bargnani guys? It's mind boggling.
not sure if this is directed at me as a member of this group, but i belong connected to it at least in a venn diagram sort of way. i'm really just level-headed.

here's the deal - Bargs is a $8.5 mil one dimensional role player. everyone knows that he needs a lot of different parts around him in order to showcase his skills. he is paid a pretty low salary and so things tend to balance out. he never asked to be a #1 guy, he never tried to place himself in some stratosphere of stars, and he certainly never used social media to express his frustration or to make any comments - positive or negative - about the city, the franchise, his role, his ambitions or any of that kind of stuff. he just does what he does, and we all wish he could be better at the things he's poor at.

bosh, on the other hand, was about to be a max money guy without having delivered justification for that money (yes, this is debateable). now i would have paid him if he was willing to stay, but in hindsight i can see that this probably would have been a mistake because we didn't have any more flexibility to bring in yet another round of guys to hope they mesh with him. it's hard to say. but going back on his 'dreams' as expressly stated in the media, teaming up with the obvious villains, and making a bunch of shady comments about he city - whether intentionally disrespectful or just a bunch of fans getting pissy about very little - automatically puts you in a category that will attract attention.

at the end of the day, i don't have an issue with Bargs because he's not that expensive and i think he could be useful for us long term. that doesn't mean i don't wish he tried harder or was a better defender, but i am ok with getting what you paid for.

and i still respect Bosh as a very good basketball player. he just happens to also be a media whore and a bit of a wannabe. and i hope we make a hostile environment for him to play in because that's what opponents deserve.
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Did he say that he DESERVED to be an MVP? Or that one of his GOALS was to be an MVP?

Big difference....
not really. his goal should have been winning. Bosh is one of those guys that needs attention and adulation. that's one of the main reasons he doesn't make a good leader.
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If he needs attention and adulation, why is he so content sitting back and letting Wade and Lebron do their thing?
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good - so then you have no complaints, since Bosh did not say he was an MVP candidate. That was his goal, and he made it clear that he knew it depended on the success of the team, and not just making bold claims.
bullshit lx.

you think kobe, in those losing years, was going to go to the media and tell them it was his goal to win an mvp? really? i'm thinking he would have been mad as hell about the losing and would have just said they need to get back on track. kobe's no leader, but he's also not a guy to talk about himself when there are much bigger issues.
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If he needs attention and adulation, why is he so content sitting back and letting Wade and Lebron do their thing?
oh come on. those two things are not mutually exclusive. he has clearly looked for more media exposure in many, many different ways. he has talked of individual awards, he has talked about the importance of all star selections, he has talked about wanting to be on sports centre, he does the videos, the twitter stuff, the facebook stuff, etc. he does all those thinghs for attention and to market himself and his brand. none of that excludes the possibility of riding coattails to a championship. especially in his own mind.

i don't even dislike the guy.
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not really. his goal should have been winning. Bosh is one of those guys that needs attention and adulation. that's one of the main reasons he doesn't make a good leader.
as much as I agree with your previous post - this is where I see things much differently. Dear lord, please show me the good leader in the NBA that doesn't need attention and adulation. I can think of John Stockton. Maybe Tim Duncan, although off the court I have no idea if he pushes people the way that Stockton at least pushed Malone. It seems like a bizarre expectation. These guys have attention thrown at them from day one.

And I always saw Bosh as a guy that needed to win. He made it very clear that he needed to win when he arrived, and he made that clear when the team needed to turn their season around, and he made it clear when he left. And when he made the comments about setting a goal to be considered an MVP, it was within the context of the team winning much more.
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If he needs attention and adulation, why is he so content sitting back and letting Wade and Lebron do their thing?
Ding-ding-ding!

Bosh had made the biggest sacrifice of ANY of the "big 3"... and he's arguably been the most consistent one as well... all without making any waves or griping about shots.

Doesn't sound "attention-whoreish" to me at all.
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oh come on. those two things are not mutually exclusive. he has clearly looked for more media exposure in many, many different ways. he has talked of individual awards, he has talked about the importance of all star selections, he has talked about wanting to be on sports centre, he does the videos, the twitter stuff, the facebook stuff, etc. he does all those thinghs for attention and to market himself and his brand. none of that excludes the possibility of riding coattails to a championship. especially in his own mind.

i don't even dislike the guy.
He gets a lot of opportunity to talk. Who doesn't do the videos..and the twitter stuff...and the facebook stuff...

He's in his 20s, this is the world we live in. Have you heard much from Bosh lately?
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bullshit lx.

you think kobe, in those losing years, was going to go to the media and tell them it was his goal to win an mvp? really? i'm thinking he would have been mad as hell about the losing and would have just said they need to get back on track. kobe's no leader, but he's also not a guy to talk about himself when there are much bigger issues.
Bullshit? Bosh made his comments after he had been able to carry the team to the playoffs for two years. But you wanted him to be mad as hell?

You want to know what bullshit is? How about this idea that he went to the media to announce that he wanted to be considered MVP? Bullshit. I saw it with my own eyes. He was asked if he ever thought about having those considerations as a goal, in light of the fans chanting M-V-P. He hesitantly answered that before the season began he put it in his own mind as a goal, but that it would require results in terms of winning as a team.

And Kobe? I believe he cleaned out his locker and told his fans that he was leaving. Way to handle those issues.
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Ding-ding-ding!

Bosh had made the biggest sacrifice of ANY of the "big 3"... and he's arguably been the most consistent one as well... all without making any waves or griping about shots.

Doesn't sound "attention-whoreish" to me at all.
I'd say that LBJ and Wade have arguably made bigger sacrifices... they were both unchallenged and heralded leaders of successful winning franchises.
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Chris Bosh became an all-star and first endeared himself to Toronto Raptor fans because of his dedication to winning and competing.

Some people really need to revisit his first few seasons where Mitchell was able to displace two prima-donnas in Carter and Rose with a young Bosh.

He said a lot of stupid shit since Mitchell was canned, but I would say a lot of stupid shit if people with cameras were constantly asking me questions, mostly trying to lead me into saying stupid shit, so I forgive Bosh.

I'm a Toronto Raptor fan, so much so that I'm a big Chris Bosh fan, and consequently, I would love to see him put on a huge performance tonight and one big gigantic dunk right in Bargnani's mug. Not that I want Bargnani the person to be dunked on, but what Bargnani represents needs to be dunked on by Chris Bosh.

It would be fan-tastic.
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