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Old 12-10-2012, 03:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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"His time will come" is a bad thing to say. Who's time you think is now? Guys that won't be in this team for long, like Bargnani or Lowry? or a guy who is future of this team? You want bright future newer to come by skipping it and saying it's not the time yet? You should want it here and now!
Why the F should we wait for anything, start giving JV 40 minutes a game, build offense on him. The sooner he becomes beast the better. This season is screwed anyway. And the next one. And many more if nothing changes (Casey, Bargnani!!).
He's not that good yet to warrant getting 40 minutes a game nor be the focus of the offense. He's not even the focus of the offense on Lithuania's team.
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I think he deserves to get more involved offensively, he rolls to the basket very hard and our guards rarely reward him with the ball. Maybe few more touches in the post, he is fairly efficient so couple extra shots from JV shouldn't hurt us and it would be a big confidence boost to him.
I completely agree, he seems to roll or be open in the post a number of times and ends up standing there with his arm up and no ball coming. Situation is oddly similar to his last year in Europe - where he would be open a lot and no one would give him the ball. Is this solely a pg issue? JV seems to struggle passing out of the post on the Raps, sometimes I think it's JVs issue and sometimes, I think the Raps don't know how to move without the ball to help, when playing with a big in the post.

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He's not that good yet to warrant getting 40 minutes a game nor be the focus of the offense. He's not even the focus of the offense on Lithuania's team.
No one said be the focus, but having more plays run for him is not a bad thing - especially if it a) creates more of an inside out game and b) increases his confidence.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Lowry isnt able to play PNR... Thats it
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Lowry isnt able to play PNR... Thats it
Bullshit, he did it fine in Houston.
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Bullshit, he did it fine in Houston.
Agreed, a main play for them.
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I sympathize with the Lithuanian fans in that we all want JV to become a star, but let's let him earn it. We don't want another Bargnani.
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Bullshit, he did it fine in Houston.
I think it's on casey. this team is not well oiled enough to run a random offence, so just play a set one.

you know what scares me about casey? this year has been preached run and gun and whatnot.. which is exactly what we had under triano. casey spun it by saying off of stops we'll run and get points in transition, which I'm fine with, but when we're not getting stops, why are we still running? 24 seconds is a whole lot of time to run a multitude of offensive schemes. Just thinking about how many offensive weopons this team has if it were to organize everything makes me angry. we have demar and bargnani, both great post players, one being elite. we have a rook who cuts to the basket HARD on PnR with a great pg to run it. and we have a starting SF who can do a bit of everything, including drain the corner three consistantly. why we stick to this random, quick, d'antoni style offence is behind me. casey realizes we DIDN'T get nash, right?
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:00 PM   #28 (permalink)
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I sympathize with the Lithuanian fans in that we all want JV to become a star, but let's let him earn it. We don't want another Bargnani.
Are you crazy? Doesn't matter what treatment JV gets, he'll be much better in all ways than Bargnani. He already is!
Saying he needs to earn minutes is BS. You do that with lazy ass players who get cocky. JV is the same fighter with passion to work no matter he gets 16 or 36 minutes. What the F else do you want from him? In my eyes he already earned more than anybody else on this team so far.
Your logic is to limit his minutes during season, because that's what you do with rookies in NBA, right? And then you'll want him to play in summer league, because he didn't play enough in regular season? Why the F not give him monster minutes during regular season, let him beast the international men tournaments instead of kindergarden level summer league!?
JV is not some Terrence Ross. JV is future's top 5 nba center! The sooner he gets big minutes, big roles, the sooner he turns potential into work on court.
From what I saw JV is probably the only one who's taking high % shots all the time. He has .496 for a reason. It's just horrible horrible coaching when you have such a good shooter and limit him just to shots from an offensive rebounds.
Is there any way we can trade Bargnani, Derozan, Lowry and Calderon for Greg Popovic?
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Are you crazy? Doesn't matter what treatment JV gets, he'll be much better in all ways than Bargnani. He already is!
Saying he needs to earn minutes is BS. You do that with lazy ass players who get cocky. JV is the same fighter with passion to work no matter he gets 16 or 36 minutes. What the F else do you want from him? In my eyes he already earned more than anybody else on this team so far.
Your logic is to limit his minutes during season, because that's what you do with rookies in NBA, right? And then you'll want him to play in summer league, because he didn't play enough in regular season? Why the F not give him monster minutes during regular season, let him beast the international men tournaments instead of kindergarden level summer league!?
JV is not some Terrence Ross. JV is future's top 5 nba center! The sooner he gets big minutes, big roles, the sooner he turns potential into work on court.
From what I saw JV is probably the only one who's taking high % shots all the time. He has .496 for a reason. It's just horrible horrible coaching when you have such a good shooter and limit him just to shots from an offensive rebounds.
Is there any way we can trade Bargnani, Derozan, Lowry and Calderon for Greg Popovic?
I get that you're embellishing, but JV is not already better... he will be, eventually. Your best point though is a good one.... Popovich is a genius.
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:13 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I want to open Homer of the year thread, but i think mods would close it..
Anyway raptor123 is leading the way,Zalgiris is just behind him
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B.C. was just on air and basically blamed it all on poor Valanciunas hilarious interview!
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Old 12-10-2012, 07:18 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Rookie wall?
The NBA is intense. back to back and 5 games in a week and long distance flying and such. Europe just doesn't compare. It happens with basically every very young rookie who plays intense type of basketball.
Remember Noah's rookie year? It was very up and down. Or Blake Griffin's? He came in as a high energy guy on both ends, and by January he was jogging back on defense and only trying on offense.

Offense-only guys like Kyrie are able to sustain their game because they take defensive plays off. High energy two-way guys either fall off on one end, or run into rookie walls.
I'd rather he struggles and battles through it, than takes the Griffin solution.
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Rookie wall?
The NBA is intense. back to back and 5 games in a week and long distance flying and such. Europe just doesn't compare. It happens with basically every very young rookie who plays intense type of basketball.
Remember Noah's rookie year? It was very up and down. Or Blake Griffin's? He came in as a high energy guy on both ends, and by January he was jogging back on defense and only trying on offense.

Offense-only guys like Kyrie are able to sustain their game because they take defensive plays off. High energy two-way guys either fall off on one end, or run into rookie walls.
I'd rather he struggles and battles through it, than takes the Griffin solution.
Agreed... though I think JV doesn't know any other way.. the kid just keeps going.
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B.C. was just on air and basically blamed it all on poor Valanciunas hilarious interview!
I'm not sure that was the main argument.... he is making excuses, some valid though. It's just a bad situation really.
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JV is a little bit frustrating with this waving hands, when he is free next to basket. And he canít play with Derozan who goes against 2 or free defenders and make stupid shot instead to make pass to open JV who will make easy dunk. Nevertheless he have to work in defense like crazy because other superstar Bargnani donít care about defense at all. And after this he have to listen that he is main reason that team donít play well enough.
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JV is a little bit frustrating with this waving hands, when he is free next to basket. And he canít play with Derozan who goes against 2 or free defenders and make stupid shot instead to make pass to open JV who will make easy dunk. Nevertheless he have to work in defense like crazy because other superstar Bargnani donít care about defense at all. And after this he have to listen that he is main reason that team donít play well enough.
I love JV and am excited for what he will bring for this franchise but at the moment, bargnani>>>>>>>> defender than JV. don't let your nationalism blind you. bargnani's been our second best big defender this season, slightly behind ed, who doesn't bring much else
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I love JV and am excited for what he will bring for this franchise but at the moment, bargnani>>>>>>>> defender than JV. don't let your nationalism blind you. bargnani's been our second best big defender this season, slightly behind ed, who doesn't bring much else
Bargnani is a better post defender but JV is a better help defender. One on one defense I'll give the advantage to Bargs. If JV could keep his fouls down I'd give the advantage defensively to him.
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Bargnani is a better post defender but JV is a better help defender. One on one defense I'll give the advantage to Bargs. If JV could keep his fouls down I'd give the advantage defensively to him.
this is ridiculous. JV has been slow on rotations, and hence gets so many fouls. yeah there's the "rookie factor" but that's only to a certain point. Bargnani plays a pf spot, requiring less rotation, than the centre spot. comparing what each has to do for their positions? Bargnani the better defender of the two at this point. Bargnani's defence has really improved guys, it's his offence thats shitting the bed this season.

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Heavy schedule
Inconsistent playing time (some of it due to foul trouble)
Rookie wall
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exactly this, plus on defense he tries to pick up andrea's slack
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