What is a Franchaise player???
Old 06-17-2008, 05:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Just curious about what you guys think makes someone the "franchaise"
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I guess it's not the ability to spell correctly.
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But a franchise player - I would say a guy you want to build around longterm. There are some guys that are drafted high and go to weak franchises, and clearly make those teams stronger with the hopes of taking them far within a certain timeframe. They would be obvious choices. They would also be guys who usually must shoulder a good deal of unfair expectations. A good deal of what defines those guys has to do with what the "franchise" is trying to sell the fan-base as much as any blueprint for success, so I personally don't put that much value in the term or the idea.
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If you're drafting someone at #1, Bargs IS OUR FRANCHISE! Or the biggest bust of the century next to Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, and the guy drafted before Michael Jordan.
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If you're drafting someone at #1, Bargs IS OUR FRANCHISE! Or the biggest bust of the century next to Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, and the guy drafted before Michael Jordan.
Quick note, I just did some research, and everyone knows that Hakeem was 1 and Bowie was two, but I never realized that at 16 John Stockton was selected.
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If you're drafting someone at #1, Bargs IS OUR FRANCHISE! Or the biggest bust of the century next to Kwame Brown, Darko Milicic, and the guy drafted before Michael Jordan.
Those players have/were in the league how long? Bargs isn't a franchise player,yet he's only been in the league two seasons,one good,one bad!

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Old 06-17-2008, 06:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bargnani wasn't drafted onto a particularly weak team. Did anyone think that Penny was the franchise player? Now if Orlando hadn't moved up in the draft, then he likely would have been that on another team. BC already had real building blocks in mind before he settled on Bargnani. Using the pick on Andrea had more to do with how Andrea could compliment what was already there, than how he could be asked to define the franchise for years to come. Same goes for Darko obviously.

What it comes down to is the confluence of a miserable team with a player with great potential, and perhaps more importantly, great character on and off the court, through the process of renewal that the draft represents. And yet - as jeff suggests - you need to add time to the mix. Time and patience, to allow for his development, and to allow for the actuality of properly building around that player. If the player possesses good, strong character, then good things usually follow within a reasonable timeframe.

Championships are a different matter. Bargnani could be that player added to a team that has already changed it's culture, that could bring it to an elite level. And maybe he needs to become the face of the franchise to make that happen. I don't know. He seems a long way off from that so I don't want to push things too far. I'm just saying that a franchise player is something like being the prom queen. It's mostly about potential and aesthetics. And once those things are proven, the franchise player doesn't necessarily need to remain as the face on the front of the programs as much as be the guy that takes the next step and makes everyone better and focused on the really big prize. A guy that needs to be a franchise player on a championship team, at all costs, is just bad news. See Kobe.
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I guess it's not the ability to spell correctly.
It would depend on the sport.....considering the Spelling B is on ESPN....I'm sure I would not be very good at all.

However, if being proven right...time and time again were a sport....I would be Lance Armstrong.

I understand your need to attack my spelling...when it is all I do wrong, what can ya do?
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Tony Parker is the Franchaise. Oui?

Maybe we pick bahTOOM and he can be the franchaise.
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Tony Parker is the Franchaise. Oui?

Maybe we pick bahTOOM and he can be the franchaise.
AWWW LX...you can have this one cause I spelt a *werd* wrong...I would hate for another "Woe is me, Benzo leave me alone diatribe"
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Guys, let's just stick to basketball
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Old 06-17-2008, 10:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Franchise player is just the face of the franchise...CB is our franchise player...now our success ultimate hinges on his performance, and the fact that he disappears in late game situations is probably why our franchise can't get out of the first round of the playoffs
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Old 06-18-2008, 01:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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franchise player = the best player on the team (unless the team is so pathetic that it doesn't have anybody at least worthy of all-star consideration - see the Knicks ...)
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
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a franchise player is not chris Bosh
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a franchise player is not chris Bosh
sure he is.
He's just not an upper-echelon franchise player. But don't fool yourself. Lots of teams would love to build around him.
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a franchise player is not chris Bosh
you are breaking the first law of logic with your definition ...
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Old 06-18-2008, 03:34 PM   #18 (permalink)
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the National Football League enforces a complicated, but well thought out collective bargaining agreement. In their system, which expires in 2000, each NFL team is allowed to designate one franchise player and one transitional player within the years of the agreement. Clubs retain exclusive negotiating rights to a franchise player by committing no later than Feb. 13 to a minimum offer of the average of the top five salaries at the player's position, or a twenty percent salary increase, whichever is greater. This offer must be presented before the end of the restricted free-agent signing period on April 14. Franchise players offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries at their position in the 1996 season were able to negotiate with other clubs.

This is the current NFL set up, and one strongly suggested by many in the NBA.

Just thought I'd toss it out. As the rest is just bullshit anyhow.
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That's not a bad thing to bring up SJ. Really the franchise guy in the NBA is about being the guy who can play at being the GM if he so desires. It's very much a reflection of how much power is in the hands of players. The NFL is very lucky that way, particularly with no need for guaranteed contracts. The NBA does benefit from a team gaining a bit more of an identity through players that stick around so they can be the franchise, but overall the way players call for this or that trade is just ridiculous. I'm very happy with the consensus approach in Toronto that brings in the input of many of the players, and keeps communication strong, but relies on the trust and accountability of the GM in the end when it comes to shaping the team.
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Old 06-18-2008, 04:50 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Good conversation LX.

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